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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    plan on taking advantage of the 30 day return? Click here to enlarge
    no, i'll probably keep the "tablet." i like not having to bring my laptop with me in the car to datalog, upload maps, etc.

    plus, i can't find my BT cable :S

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    But none of those tunes are aggressive or even come close to 18psi right? Like the cobb OTS maps they are made to be conservative and work on all customer cars in all locations I thought.


    It's good logging is coming out for it but you have to admit it's odd none have been posted right? 80 units sold not 1 log? He could log with his procede if he wanted, I mean he had to develop the tune right?


    As far as selling 80 units the 1st day that is 32k. So a profit of around 20-25k I expect. I would consider modifying the results if I could make a quick 20 grand.
    i don't know if you saw my post directed at you last week, but even the early cobb maps boosted to 17psi and had throttle occilations, etc. IIRC, cobb revised the maps after a month or so and the max boost at 3.5-4k rpms was lowered to 16 or so

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bryce Click here to enlarge
    no, i'll probably keep the "tablet." i like not having to bring my laptop with me in the car to datalog, upload maps, etc.

    plus, i can't find my BT cable :S
    What datalogging?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bryce Click here to enlarge
    i don't know if you saw my post directed at you last week, but even the early cobb maps boosted to 17psi and had throttle occilations, etc. IIRC, cobb revised the maps after a month or so and the max boost at 3.5-4k rpms was lowered to 16 or so
    None of the stage 1 ots Cobb maps made for 91 octane run 18lbs of boost. I've been running the stage 1 drive map and hit a max of 13 lbs. Do the stage 1 aggressive maps hit 17-18psi? Yes but that's for 93 octane.

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    I mean no one sees the irony that you can buy a Microsoft surface for $349 and have a very cool mini laptop and tablet as well as tool to flash your car with it? Imagine for $50 less you can have something you can use for many many things. we wont even discuss the resolution. How does Shiv plan to trick people into buying this "tablet" again? Oh that's right misinformation and shady business tactics. Forgot who I was talking about for a sec. Honestly this "open flash" ploy is low even for him.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Honestly this "open flash" ploy is low even for him.
    I think it just shows how desperate he has become. How the mighty have fallen.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I mean no one sees the irony that you can buy a Microsoft surface for $349 and have a very cool mini laptop and tablet as well as tool to flash your car with it? Imagine for $50 less you can have something you can use for many many things. we wont even discuss the resolution. How does Shiv plan to trick people into buying this "tablet" again? Oh that's right misinformation and shady business tactics. Forgot who I was talking about for a sec. Honestly this "open flash" ploy is low even for him.
    for $350 you can get a brand new full x86 8.1" "tablet" that runs windows 8

    do all your coding, run inpa for diagnostics, do your flashing, and browse the forums...

    http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...587-_-11272891

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tofu Click here to enlarge
    for $350 you can get a brand new full x86 8.1" "tablet" that runs windows 8

    do all your coding, run inpa for diagnostics, do your flashing, and browse the forums...

    http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...587-_-11272891

    http://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/offi...t?$OD%2DLarge$

    vs

    http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1372890013
    But with the ' openflash'tablet you also get the option of dealing with Shiv's charming personality. So there's that...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    None of the stage 1 ots Cobb maps made for 91 octane run 18lbs of boost. I've been running the stage 1 drive map and hit a max of 13 lbs. Do the stage 1 aggressive maps hit 17-18psi? Yes but that's for 93 octane.
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    hell, if you want to penny pinch, the 32gb version of the windows 8 tablet is only $300.

    probably $150-200ish on the used market.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bryce Click here to enlarge
    there was an update today that datalogging beta is coming out tomorrow. datalogging should be distributed (via software update) to the public later this week.

    regardless, i think you guys are overlooking several flash tunes that have:

    a) no datalogging capability
    b) no complaints to the same degree from users
    c) run perfectly fine on cars they're installed on


    tunes such as GIAC, DINAN, RENNtech, Eurocharged, Active Autowerke, etc. all come without any datalogging capabilities. people have datalogged with BT cables and the like to some degree.

    i plan to datalog my OF tablet maps with a BT cable today or tomorrow. i need to find where i last put my BT cable, but i should be able to post the logs soon.

    it might be a moot point, however, if datalogging is released by the end of the week.
    Those other tunes aren't as aggressive as the Shivflash even FBO.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bryce Click here to enlarge
    i don't know if you saw my post directed at you last week, but even the early cobb maps boosted to 17psi and had throttle occilations, etc. IIRC, cobb revised the maps after a month or so and the max boost at 3.5-4k rpms was lowered to 16 or so
    So in other words, what you are saying is that Shiv's OTS maps shouldn't boost that high.

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    until we see some logs showing all cylinders timing we wont know how aggressive the tune is. looking forward to it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    None of the stage 1 ots Cobb maps made for 91 octane run 18lbs of boost. I've been running the stage 1 drive map and hit a max of 13 lbs. Do the stage 1 aggressive maps hit 17-18psi? Yes but that's for 93 octane.
    Correct. People read about boost spiking to 17 psi in a few instances and got some misconceptions.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tofu Click here to enlarge
    Cobb is obligated to provide support for their customers, Shiv isn't. His product is marketed as "open" and "community driven". Once the boat sails, I have a feeling his customers won't hear much from him anymore. Of course he is playing nice guy for now to get sales.

    At face value, yes, it's a cheaper cobb (assuming they make good on their promise for data logging). But you have to be a real schmuck to buy into the $#@! Shiv is shoveling. You can have your own reasons for buying it, but it is quite clear that he is marketing this toward fools, not tuners.
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    Man, pages 3-7 have been a waste of time reading. Just people bashing each other over the interwebs and arguing about which tune is better and Shiv's business practice, while not answering the OP's question.
    I understand that until logging in done, we won't know for sure, but it'd be nice to get a straight answer without people throwing fists at each other...
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    I forget now.......what was the original question? Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DCAFS Click here to enlarge
    I forget now.......what was the original question? Click here to enlarge
    Something about boost on some piece of hardware nobody needs or wants. Who knows, it's in the past now and everyone moved on.

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    Until it has Cyl2-6 ignition logging Cobb will remain the superior "hardware based" logging system. And open flash will remain the cheapest at $free. So for somewhere between free and the AP it's sort of hard to see the long term market for this tablet. It's unfortunate Cobb can't just lower their price to say $599 on their obsolete hardware version as I think that would keep demand up for those looking for a simple turbo key flash system.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Until it has Cyl2-6 ignition logging Cobb will remain the superior "hardware based" logging system. And open flash will remain the cheapest at $free. So for somewhere between free and the AP it's sort of hard to see the long term market for this tablet. It's unfortunate Cobb can't just lower their price to say $599 on their obsolete hardware version as I think that would keep demand up for those looking for a simple turbo key flash system.
    I don't know of this is possible. But it would be awesome if they just accepted the open flash on the software side, and focused on making their hardware work with it. Drop the price to 399 and dominate the hardware market.
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    Maybe it's just me, but I'm completely fine paying $600-$650 for a used COBB and having access to their superior support and maps.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Until it has Cyl2-6 ignition logging Cobb will remain the superior "hardware based" logging system. And open flash will remain the cheapest at $free. So for somewhere between free and the AP it's sort of hard to see the long term market for this tablet. It's unfortunate Cobb can't just lower their price to say $599 on their obsolete hardware version as I think that would keep demand up for those looking for a simple turbo key flash system.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    I haven't seen my timing on cyl 2-6 in months. Click here to enlarge
    @themyst same here Click here to enlarge
    @Terry@BMS Is it possible to get cyl 2-6 timing with the JB4? If so, I take it would be a TON of programming to get this to work?
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    As soon as they add it to the open tablet I'll be sure to copy it for the JB4. Click here to enlarge
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