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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I enjoy daydreaming too.
    The new shop has the R&D to do it, but we will see. Not gonna rain on Gintanis parade, kudos to them for taking it to the next level.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    The new shop has the R&D to do it, but we will see. Not gonna rain on Gintanis parade, kudos to them for taking it to the next level.
    There's a big difference between having it running, testing, and getting ready to release a production kit and saying someone 'could' do it...

    Honestly, a stock DME S65 V8 turbo setup at this stage is mind boggling.

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    Thats a damn good price. too bad the M4 is around the corner

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MrClean335i Click here to enlarge
    Thats a damn good price. too bad the M4 is around the corner
    Too bad the M4 won't have a 4.0 liter V8 going to over 8000 rpm...

    Awesome sig btw.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge

    Awesome sig btw.
    thanks

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    We'll see, you are probably right.
    Then you'll have the E9X version of the M6 lol. Twin turbo V8 sound familiar? Hmm.
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    I can't wait to see the final kit.

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    My hand is full of money im ready to give you, can't wait for this to hit the final stage.

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    There are 3 kits in the works, 1 has been seen driving around portland, ginatani, and im not sure of the progress on the next one

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Badinfluence Click here to enlarge
    There are 3 kits in the works, 1 has been seen driving around portland, ginatani, and im not sure of the progress on the next one
    Driving around Portland?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Badinfluence Click here to enlarge
    There are 3 kits in the works, 1 has been seen driving around portland, ginatani, and im not sure of the progress on the next one
    What kit is on the guys car out in Portland?? From what company or is it a one off kit?
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    I just noticed this today after watching the AA Level 3 Autobahn run, but the DCT post shift leaves the engine ~7k RPMs.... So is the S65 even really gonna benefit from a TT kit??

    My reasoning is that you obviously won't be able to run peak boost out to redline, especially on a stock motor, and it seems like the DCT's gearing is gonna put you at the point where you're gonna have to already start tapering down on boost (aka, NOT in the meat of the powerband).


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge

    My reasoning is that you obviously won't be able to run peak boost out to redline, especially on a stock motor, and it seems like the DCT's gearing is gonna put you at the point where you're gonna have to already start tapering down on boost (aka, NOT in the meat of the powerband).
    Why wouldn't they run peak boost to redline?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Why wouldn't they run peak boost to redline?
    15PSI at 4000 rpm is not the same load on the turbo as 15PSI at 8000rpm.

    Large turbo's with good mid range efficiency combined with a twin-scroll manifold design and stock CR running at relatively low PSI for the power goals.

    This would achieve decent low end response, and the turbo's would be able to provide a flat boost curve until redline without being overworked.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Why wouldn't they run peak boost to redline?
    Well assuming they, use a turbo that provides the best, most complete powerband (aka isn't super laggy), you'd run peak boost mid range & taper down at redline (like the N54). If they used something over-sized that will put down monstrous dyno numbers (think VTT S3s or Vishnu ST), you'll be able to carry peak boost out to redline, but you'll have a ton of lag & will suck to drive on the street.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    but the DCT post shift leaves the engine ~7k RPMs.... So is the S65 even really gonna benefit from a TT kit??
    In which gear? It isn't 7k after each shift.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    My reasoning is that you obviously won't be able to run peak boost out to redline, especially on a stock motor, and it seems like the DCT's gearing is gonna put you at the point where you're gonna have to already start tapering down on boost (aka, NOT in the meat of the powerband).
    Incorrect.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Why wouldn't they run peak boost to redline?
    I haven no idea.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    you'll be able to carry peak boost out to redline, but you'll have a ton of lag & will suck to drive on the street.
    No... this is a 12.0:1 compression motor you're going to have great response much better than an SC.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Well assuming they, use a turbo that provides the best, most complete powerband (aka isn't super laggy), you'd run peak boost mid range & taper down at redline (like the N54). If they used something over-sized that will put down monstrous dyno numbers (think VTT S3s or Vishnu ST), you'll be able to carry peak boost out to redline, but you'll have a ton of lag & will suck to drive on the street.
    I don't know TOO much about turbochargers - but don't understand why the N54 would taper down towards redline on purpose... I always figured the turbos couldn't breathe up high - but don't know much about the capability of the stock snails. (could be misunderstanding what you are saying though in your post)

    Wouldn't you want (to keep a flat curve) the exact amount of PSI throughout the RPM band in theory?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    I don't know TOOch about turbochargers - but don't understand why the N54 would taper down towards redline on purpose... I always figured the turbos couldn't breathe up high - but don't know much about the capability of the stock snails. (could be misunderstanding what you are saying though in your post)

    Wouldn't you want (to keep a flat curve) the exact amount of PSI throughout the RPM band in theory?
    Yep, the turbos small size is the reason for the boost taper. Holding peak boost redline is just moving heat and killing the turbos.

    Good sized aftermarket turbos should hold boost to redline.
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    Here is the gearing info just to clear up what the rpm drop is after each gear. It isn't going to matter anyway as these turbos are hardly being pushed at the stock compression ratio:

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    Gear / Ratio / Max Speed / RPM drop on upshift
    1st 4.780 44
    2nd 2.933 71 5200
    3rd 2.153 97 6200
    4th 1.678 124 6500
    5th 1.390 150 6900
    6th 1.203 173 7300
    7th 1.000 208 7000
    Final Ratio 3.154
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    Any BMW master tech's with a passion for the aftermarket care to chime in? Great thread ftw.

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    But AA s/c red line at 8,100rpm

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Here is the gearing info just to clear up what the rpm drop is after each gear. It isn't going to matter anyway as these turbos are hardly being pushed at the stock compression ratio:

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    Gear / Ratio / Max Speed / RPM drop on upshift
    1st 4.780 44
    2nd 2.933 71 5200
    3rd 2.153 97 6200
    4th 1.678 124 6500
    5th 1.390 150 6900
    6th 1.203 173 7300
    7th 1.000 208 7000
    Final Ratio 3.154
    Redline 8400

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VCMPower Click here to enlarge
    But AA s/c red line at 8,100rpm
    That's definitely true for the AA SC. I like my revs Click here to enlarge

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    Can't wait to see numbers etc.

    btw there is a 1khp turbo S65 E92 M3 in Germany. No shop, no 'kit' no internet presence.

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