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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
    If someone wants to go with titanium rods in their car, they have money to burn. A set of Ti rods for this car would be 3,000+
    How much weight is saved as far as rotating mass is concerned with ti rods?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
    If someone wants to go with titanium rods in their car, they have money to burn. A set of Ti rods for this car would be 3,000+
    Why so much?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why so much?
    Titanium metal is expensive, probably why it's that price.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why so much?
    Titanium is expensive, but that's not the primary driver for high titanium parts cost. The reason titanium parts are so expensive is that titanium is very difficult to machine. Manufacturing costs are significantly higher than that of steel. It's not as bad as inconel, but it's no joy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SCGT Click here to enlarge
    Titanium is expensive, but that's not the primary driver for high titanium parts cost. The reason titanium parts are so expensive is that titanium is very difficult to machine. Manufacturing costs are significantly higher than that of steel. It's not as bad as inconel, but it's no joy.
    was about to say that

    the metal itself is actually fairly reasonable in price... but you have to machine it very slowly, and time is money.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    Ti rods?

    it says carillo rods on the post though. not custom titanium?

    nor do i remember a head job! (and can't see one mentioned in that post now?)

    worst part of that post, is a year and a half+ later, no reports on it haha

    why would it need to be broken in again though?
    The post has not been updated for ages and is therefor not up to date. The OP does not have time to drive the car, let alone write a long report on all the work on the engine.

    There have been basically two builds with that engine, one with lightweight forged rods, and then with titanium rods. Therefor the engine had to be taken apart twice, and then once again to check all clearances which is why the car now has to be driven very carefully for some miles again.

    The rods are Carillo indeed, custom job made to the OP's specs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    The post has not been updated for ages and is therefor not up to date. The OP does not have time to drive the car, let alone write a long report on all the work on the engine.

    There have been basically two builds with that engine, one with lightweight forged rods, and then with titanium rods. Therefor the engine had to be taken apart twice, and then once again to check all clearances which is why the car now has to be driven very carefully for some miles again.

    The rods are Carillo indeed, custom job made to the OP's specs.

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    Sorry if I missed it, but why did he rebuild a second time? Was there an issue with the forged rods?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    The post has not been updated for ages and is therefor not up to date. The OP does not have time to drive the car, let alone write a long report on all the work on the engine.

    There have been basically two builds with that engine, one with lightweight forged rods, and then with titanium rods. Therefor the engine had to be taken apart twice, and then once again to check all clearances which is why the car now has to be driven very carefully for some miles again.

    The rods are Carillo indeed, custom job made to the OP's specs.

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    i wonder how you can be THAT busy...?... kinda blows my mind not having 10 minutes a year to share the cool stuff you're doing to your car haha

    wow why did he rebuild again with fully custom titanium rods over the (awesome) standard carillo rods... heck if he can't even drive it much, how did he even know he needed new rods AGAIN?.. titanium rods don't even last as long as normal forged rods :/

    oh wow, so theyre still carillo, but just a different material? that's crazy talk! haha

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Sorry if I missed it, but why did he rebuild a second time? Was there an issue with the forged rods?
    yeah.. did he manage to break them? standard carillo rods are weaker than oem n54 rods?... not like he's revving it above factory redline even?
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    So somebody is doing titanium rods? Where is the info/pics? WTF guys?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    So somebody is doing titanium rods? Where is the info/pics? WTF guys?
    he's on e90p and was one of the first guys to do a bottom end build, to do lap after lap on the 'ring as he desired...

    actually, i'm 90% sure *the* first guy, sent CP/carillo pistons and rods and got it done.... then something happened like opening a restaurant or some crap, and for the past 2.5 (or 1.5, i'm not good at time) years odd he's had literally zero spare time to post anything about it at all

    but i think lux knows him IRL, so knows a little more about it (like said head work, and second rebuild?)
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    Update:
    Head studs and main studs are no problem, I'll have pricing shortly. Please bear with me.
    Pistons are no problem. I can get whatever you want.
    H beam rods are no problem. We can play with a stroke/destroke slightly, and put NASCAR bearings in it to make them much tougher.
    Or we can just make a killer stock journal bottom end as well.

    Titanium rods have a word of caution. Yes, I will give you a price on them if you wish, but realize that Ti rods are MUCH more rigid and strong than H beam rods. Because of this, they DIRECTLY impact the longevity of the rod bearings when not properly tuned. If you detonate, you WILL waste your rod bearings.

    example: this custom 650hp NA 4 cylinder race car had Ti rods in it that was bracket raced.
    After 8 passes, it would need rod bearings installed.
    Like clockwork. Every 8 passes (a short weekend racing, or a long weekend depending on if they were changed in the pits) we had to swap them.
    The engine got swapped over to H Beam rods, and the problem went away.

    Aluminum rods are gonna be problematic as well, so throw those out the window...... i mean unless this is a dedicated race car and you like tearing engines apart to maintenance it.
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    Tried to rep you. My friend you are going to lead N54s to the 1000HP promise land. Hopefully before we see a 1000HP S65 Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Hopefully before we see a 1000HP S65 Click here to enlarge
    Not possible. No further comment.

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    I think cause I edited the post? Idk.
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    Oh, and if you want custom coated pistons/bearings - I have that covered too Click here to enlarge


    the head work is not an issue for bigger/exotic valves (although the factory valves seem very nice).... Working on valve train stuffs.
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    I know that VAC has coated bearings available for the N54, but what are the NASCAR bearings to which you refer?

    Thanks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not possible. No further comment.
    Haha. We haven't seen any 1000hp S65 dyno sheets yet so it doesn't count. Lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Haha. We haven't seen any 1000hp S65 dyno sheets yet so it doesn't count. Lol
    Agreed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
    Update:
    Head studs and main studs are no problem, I'll have pricing shortly. Please bear with me.
    Pistons are no problem. I can get whatever you want.
    H beam rods are no problem. We can play with a stroke/destroke slightly, and put NASCAR bearings in it to make them much tougher.
    Or we can just make a killer stock journal bottom end as well.

    Aluminum rods are gonna be problematic as well, so throw those out the window...... i mean unless this is a dedicated race car and you like tearing engines apart to maintenance it.
    you are absolutely awesome, i've been hoping studs happen before i got my build done Click here to enlarge

    for pistons/rods, prices comparable to VAC's CP/carillo stuff, as well as strength/weight?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Tried to rep you. My friend you are going to lead N54s to the 1000HP promise land.
    same hahaha

    the final pieces that will either let someone seriously mangle a block with enough boost... or make some amazing numbers... are (relatively rapidly actually) falling into place Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not possible. No further comment.
    can't disagree with that sadly Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
    Oh, and if you want custom coated pistons/bearings - I have that covered too Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alex@ABRhouston Click here to enlarge
    the head work is not an issue for bigger/exotic valves (although the factory valves seem very nice).... Working on valve train stuffs.
    awesome!


    assuming there'll be stuff within the next few months, you have yourself one likely customer here at least Click here to enlarge

    titanium/??? valves? Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    he's on e90p and was one of the first guys to do a bottom end build, to do lap after lap on the 'ring as he desired...

    actually, i'm 90% sure *the* first guy, sent CP/carillo pistons and rods and got it done.... then something happened like opening a restaurant or some crap,
    Dude, I know you don't mean it, but don't write all that flippantly about other people. If like me you know them personally that is slightly offensive.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    and for the past 2.5 (or 1.5, i'm not good at time) years odd he's had literally zero spare time to post anything about it at all

    but i think lux knows him IRL, so knows a little more about it (like said head work, and second rebuild?)
    After the first build with "normal" lightweight Carillo rods he heard that there existed an option with titanium (and even more lightweight pistons if I remember correctly). That's why he decided to replace the internals again. At the same time, a head job was done as well as the installation of a baffled oil pan (not the one from VAC, that came much later). After the break-in phase the engine was disassembled again to check all clearances. That's when due to his professional engagements the car was apart for basically more than 1.5 years and has only been put together very recently. Right now he doesn't have the time to drive the car for 3000 miles for the last break-in phase, which is why I believe that he won't be able to properly test it this year.

    I'll see him in a few weeks at the 'Ring and can ask for more details if there's interest.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    Dude, I know you don't mean it, but don't write all that flippantly about other people. If like me you know them personally that is slightly offensive.

    what do you mean flippantly? how is that even slightly offensive?

    the 'or some crap'? replace 'crap' with 'thing'... fixed?

    i don't care how anyone talks about me, in person or the internet... doesn't matter in the slightest.

    i don't mean to be offensive at all, and i don't believe i was in the slightest.

    ... internets are srs bzns, apparently.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    After the first build with "normal" lightweight Carillo rods he heard that there existed an option with titanium (and even more lightweight pistons if I remember correctly). That's why he decided to replace the internals again. At the same time, a head job was done as well as the installation of a baffled oil pan (not the one from VAC, that came much later). After the break-in phase the engine was disassembled again to check all clearances. That's when due to his professional engagements the car was apart for basically more than 1.5 years and has only been put together very recently. Right now he doesn't have the time to drive the car for 3000 miles for the last break-in phase, which is why I believe that he won't be able to properly test it this year.

    I'll see him in a few weeks at the 'Ring and can ask for more details if there's interest.

    Alpina_B3_Lux

    wait, a CUSTOM sump baffle that was never released for public sale? man this just gets more ridiculous haha

    i thought his car was put together ~1.5 years ago after the first rebuild, and driven for 5000km or so at least?

    if you do see him, and can get more info, there's always interet here!


    i wonder why he'd want to go for the ultimate lightest weight option when (at least last update on E90) he was going for reliability, not so much maximum power/performance? would be good to get into on why decisions were made.

    also, if the pistons are something different to the CP options he originally got, what they could be?

    can't understand how someone can be so busy, they don't get to drive 3000mi in a year. it truly blows my mind! haha. i couldn't live without driving.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    i don't care how anyone talks about me, in person or the internet... doesn't matter in the slightest.
    Well, not everyone is the same, maybe that has occurred to you once in a while. But no matter.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    wait, a CUSTOM sump baffle that was never released for public sale? man this just gets more ridiculous haha
    Yes, it was a one-off job that was done for him. From what I know all rods and pistons were from CP/Carillo. And yes, he does have another car as where he lives driving is a necessity rather than a pleasure...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux Click here to enlarge
    Well, not everyone is the same, maybe that has occurred to you once in a while. But no matter.

    Yes, it was a one-off job that was done for him. From what I know all rods and pistons were from CP/Carillo. And yes, he does have another car as where he lives driving is a necessity rather than a pleasure...

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    it does, but i believe in treat others how you'd like to be treated. which seems fair to me. Click here to enlarge


    ahhh fair enough. i wish more things like this ended up being known and available, but it is what it is
    just like that giant cooler setup i shared a few days ago.... one off with no plans of producing for OTS kits.
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    any price updates? Not sure if you already created a thread.

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