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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze Click here to enlarge
    Those sure do look like Tial Turbo housings , if this car has a built motor the a GTX 3076 would be perfect for high power. Yes you would loose some spool vs a 2867 turbos. The GTX2867 would be perfect if max WHP goal is around 750whp-8000whp.
    I kindly disagree on the max WHP of the 2867's, we made 725 WHP on GTX2863's without pushing too hard. 67's are good for another 50 each side over the 63's. So I don't see why 850-900 WHP wouldn't be possible pushing them hard.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I kindly disagree on the max WHP of the 2867's, we made 725 WHP on GTX2863's without pushing too hard. 67's are good for another 50 each side over the 63's. So I don't see why 850-900 WHP wouldn't be possible pushing them hard.
    It definitely is possible.

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    But how much is it gonna cost? It's pretty clear that ~98% of E9x M3 owners are completely content with the power that can be achieved with a stock motor supercharger kit. This is supported by the fact that there are only 6 confirmed, built motor customer cars rolling around -- 3 ESS (Drew, Izzy & Zim) and 3 Gintani (Tightie, Eugene & Sticky). And I understand that E9x M3s are now dropping into the high $30s-40k range & it'll open up the market to a brand new, mod interested clientele, but do you really expect these same people to drop another ~$20k for a TT kit, possibly more for a built motor?

    Will it be cool as $#@! to have a 750 WHP TT-V8 E9x M3? $#@! yea, especially when you start adding things like E85 into the mix. But if this isn't going to become a rare practice (especially since a TT kit will be more expensive than a comparable s/c kit), the TT kit better have the performance to justify the price.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    I kindly disagree on the max WHP of the 2867's, we made 725 WHP on GTX2863's without pushing too hard. 67's are good for another 50 each side over the 63's. So I don't see why 850-900 WHP wouldn't be possible pushing them hard.
    You are correct when you say GTX 2867's are rated for 50 more each there rated for 400 each so it might be possible to make 850WHP -900whp pushing them hard . At that point however your out of the efficiency range and blow hot air. I would think someone with a built motor would just want more headroom I know I would.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    But how much is it gonna cost? It's pretty clear that ~98% of E9x M3 owners are completely content with the power that can be achieved with a stock motor supercharger kit. This is supported by the fact that there are only 6 confirmed, built motor customer cars rolling around -- 3 ESS (Drew, Izzy & Zim) and 3 Gintani (Tightie, Eugene & Sticky). And I understand that E9x M3s are now dropping into the high $30s-40k range & it'll open up the market to a brand new, mod interested clientele, but do you really expect these same people to drop another ~$20k for a TT kit, possibly more for a built motor?

    Will it be cool as $#@! to have a 750 WHP TT-V8 E9x M3? $#@! yea, especially when you start adding things like E85 into the mix. But if this isn't going to become a rare practice (especially since a TT kit will be more expensive than a comparable s/c kit), the TT kit better have the performance to justify the price.
    People dropped a bunch on the E46 M3.... expect similar pricing for a built motor plus turbo here. I'm just glad my motor is already built for this.

    Plus you WILL want a sleeved motor for this and the other upgrades Gintani has that nobody else does.

    It's not just about power it's how that power is delivered. The SC cars IMO won't be as much fun to drive especially off boost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    People dropped a bunch on the E46 M3.... expect similar pricing for a built motor plus turbo here. I'm just glad my motor is already built for this.

    Plus you WILL want a sleeved motor for this and the other upgrades Gintani has that nobody else does.

    It's not just about power it's how that power is delivered. The SC cars IMO won't be as much fun to drive especially off boost.
    Have to agree and disagree here.

    Agree: People are willing to spend a great deal on modifications. I already know exactly what I am getting for the M3 to add up to more than the purchase price of the car... and I don't think twice about it.

    Disagree: I think a supercharged motor is a better drive than a turbo when the turbo is 'off boost'. That balance tips massively in favor of the turbo on boost.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    People dropped a bunch on the E46 M3.... expect similar pricing for a built motor plus turbo here. I'm just glad my motor is already built for this.

    Plus you WILL want a sleeved motor for this and the other upgrades Gintani has that nobody else does.

    It's not just about power it's how that power is delivered. The SC cars IMO won't be as much fun to drive especially off boost.
    I cautiously agree that Gintani is the company doing this the right way, because they've probably conducted significantly more FI research than any of the competition. And the powerband & "fun" will def be better in a Turbo car (or even the Roots sc) vs. a centri supercharged car, but even these things don't override how much it might cost.

    And comparing it to the E46 is only helping prove my point -- The E46 only needs one turbo/turbo manifold & a simple intake manifold because of the engine's I6 design. Meanwhile, the E9x is going to need two of everything (double the turbos, WGs, BOVs, etc etc) & very special intake/turbo manifolds to actually fit in the engine bay.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
    I think a supercharged motor is a better drive than a turbo when the turbo is 'off boost'. That balance tips massively in favor of the turbo on boost.
    +1, a Centri Supercharger def accentuates the "M" characteristics of the motor -- Power increasing with RPMs. And driving response is def going to depend on turbo sizing, which introduces the endless debate between turbo spool/response vs. power potential.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
    Disagree: I think a supercharged motor is a better drive than a turbo when the turbo is 'off boost'. That balance tips massively in favor of the turbo on boost.
    I'm not quite sure how you can disagree when the turbos are not sucking power off low as they don't need to be manually spun so by definition the response will be better down low.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    I cautiously agree that Gintani is the company doing this the right way, because they've probably conducted significantly more FI research than any of the competition. And the powerband & "fun" will def be better in a Turbo car (or even the Roots sc) vs. a centri supercharged car, but even these things don't override how much it might cost.

    And comparing it to the E46 is only helping prove my point -- The E46 only needs one turbo/turbo manifold & a simple intake manifold because of the engine's I6 design. Meanwhile, the E9x is going to need two of everything (double the turbos, WGs, BOVs, etc etc) & very special intake/turbo manifolds to actually fit in the engine bay.
    It's not cheap and these kit will be more than any SC setups on the market. With a built motor, big bucks. It is what it is.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    +1, a Centri Supercharger def accentuates the "M" characteristics of the motor -- Power increasing with RPMs. And driving response is def going to depend on turbo sizing, which introduces the endless debate between turbo spool/response vs. power potential.
    It just appears that way because the power is linear and builds with revs. In reality, it kills throttle response down low.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's not cheap and these kit will be more than any SC setups on the market. With a built motor, big bucks. It is what it is.
    So im guessing with your prior knowledge of this kit coming out.. Its safe to say this kit will be more than 15k. I mean that is the most expensive supercharget kit out there

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Badinfluence Click here to enlarge
    So im guessing with your prior knowledge of this kit coming out.. Its safe to say this kit will be more than 15k. I mean that is the most expensive supercharget kit out there
    Yes that is safe to say.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge


    +1, a Centri Supercharger def accentuates the "M" characteristics of the motor -- Power increasing with RPMs. And driving response is def going to depend on turbo sizing, which introduces the endless debate between turbo spool/response vs. power potential.
    That is why I love my current kit - plenty fast but retains the M3 feel. Although the power capability with a turbo setup can't be matched, it really changes the characteristics of the car. I have quite a few M3 buddies that don't post on here and the topic has come up. General consensus was that a turbo build is better suited on a different car. Personally I think it's only worth going the turbo route on this car for big power - minimum 800whp+. Anything below is changing the feel of the car way too much without making enough power to give it that wow factor. Totally different rules when you reach the very high power levels IMO.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NikB316 Click here to enlarge
    That is why I love my current kit - plenty fast but retains the M3 feel. Although the power capability with a turbo setup can't be matched, it really changes the characteristics of the car. I have quite a few M3 buddies that don't post on here and the topic has come up. General consensus was that a turbo build is better suited on a different car. Personally I think it's only worth going the turbo route on this car for big power - minimum 800whp+. Anything below is changing the feel of the car way too much without making enough power to give it that wow factor. Totally different rules when you reach the very high power levels IMO.
    I don't know how anyone can say a centri maintains the M3 feel. It doesn't.

    Turbo build is really perfect I don't know how it can be denied. Sure, the torque curve changes but for the better.

    All you are changing is the torque punch but preserving the response. It's win-win.

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    Sorry guys, no videos yet. A few things got delayed.

    Here's a photo of our manifold getting ready for casting at the foundry, we should be seeing our first piece within a couple days.

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    I can't wait either. Coolest thing to happen to the S65.

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    Hey guys, we understand that everybody is more than frustrated with the delayed progress and updates on this thread. It was our fault for releasing the information way too early without considering running into a few bumps along the way. We would like all of you to understand, this project had started out for us to have some fun with our own personal car. When we decided to make this into a production kit, there were a lot of changes that needed to be made for everything to fit like oem and for everything to be safe. The space we are working with is more than tight. This is not one of those turbo kits that you can build using just aluminum piping and U bends.


    As of now, we have made a lot of changes even to our turbo manifolds and extreme changes to the piping. We are doing our best to finish the production pieces which will include a lot of cast pieces.


    The car has been taken apart again for a few more changes. We will be testing fitment of newly designed pieces. We will be putting the vehicle back together with the fabricated pieces and old design turbo manifolds and will continue further testing with these components until the final production pieces are completed.


    We understand an update has been long overdue, so here are a few videos of the kit. Enjoy.











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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sales@Gintani.com Click here to enlarge
    Hey guys, we understand that everybody is more than frustrated with the delayed progress and updates on this thread. It was our fault for releasing the information way too early without considering running into a few bumps along the way. We would like all of you to understand, this project had started out for us to have some fun with our own personal car. When we decided to make this into a production kit, there were a lot of changes that needed to be made for everything to fit like oem and for everything to be safe. The space we are working with is more than tight. This is not one of those turbo kits that you can build using just aluminum piping and U bends.


    As of now, we have made a lot of changes even to our turbo manifolds and extreme changes to the piping. We are doing our best to finish the production pieces which will include a lot of cast pieces.


    The car has been taken apart again for a few more changes. We will be testing fitment of newly designed pieces. We will be putting the vehicle back together with the fabricated pieces and old design turbo manifolds and will continue further testing with these components until the final production pieces are completed.


    We understand an update has been long overdue, so here are a few videos of the kit. Enjoy.




    http://youtu.be/coTSbbfg1f4


    http://youtu.be/WtoMsVFBdNk


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sales@Gintani.com Click here to enlarge
    Hey guys, we understand that everybody is more than frustrated with the delayed progress and updates on this thread. It was our fault for releasing the information way too early without considering running into a few bumps along the way. We would like all of you to understand, this project had started out for us to have some fun with our own personal car. When we decided to make this into a production kit, there were a lot of changes that needed to be made for everything to fit like oem and for everything to be safe. The space we are working with is more than tight. This is not one of those turbo kits that you can build using just aluminum piping and U bends.


    As of now, we have made a lot of changes even to our turbo manifolds and extreme changes to the piping. We are doing our best to finish the production pieces which will include a lot of cast pieces.


    The car has been taken apart again for a few more changes. We will be testing fitment of newly designed pieces. We will be putting the vehicle back together with the fabricated pieces and old design turbo manifolds and will continue further testing with these components until the final production pieces are completed.


    We understand an update has been long overdue, so here are a few videos of the kit. Enjoy.




    http://youtu.be/coTSbbfg1f4


    http://youtu.be/WtoMsVFBdNk


    http://youtu.be/_kyyJGh0b2w
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    But how much is it gonna cost? It's pretty clear that ~98% of E9x M3 owners are completely content with the power that can be achieved with a stock motor supercharger kit. This is supported by the fact that there are only 6 confirmed, built motor customer cars rolling around -- 3 ESS (Drew, Izzy & Zim) and 3 Gintani (Tightie, Eugene & Sticky). And I understand that E9x M3s are now dropping into the high $30s-40k range & it'll open up the market to a brand new, mod interested clientele, but do you really expect these same people to drop another ~$20k for a TT kit, possibly more for a built motor?

    Will it be cool as $#@! to have a 750 WHP TT-V8 E9x M3? $#@! yea, especially when you start adding things like E85 into the mix. But if this isn't going to become a rare practice (especially since a TT kit will be more expensive than a comparable s/c kit), the TT kit better have the performance to justify the price.
    It is something I have been waiting for... a super high revving V8 with a twin turbo for about $50-55k doable..... if it gets to the production stage I would prefer that probably over any of the S/C modded E9x cars or a heavyweight F10 M5 etc
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
    It is something I have been waiting for... a super high revving V8 with a twin turbo for about $50-55k doable..... if it gets to the production stage I would prefer that probably over any of the S/C modded E9x cars or a heavyweight F10 M5 etc
    The S65 with turbos will be better than anything in the BMW lineup. The only thing better would be an S85 with turbos.

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    The gintani tt setups are not stopping here. Additionally the components and piping blew me away. Kind of wish I never wasted time with an sc.

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