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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adgar Click here to enlarge
    Why do you think that? The N54 R&D is in full swing with the 335i and 135i cars. I have thought about this during lunch and the idea that I wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel on tuning and some aftermarket basics will be nice IMO.
    It definitely will make it easier to mod but BMW essentially would be giving you an N54 with a tune. Complete sell out and marketing, no special motor as M's have always had. Basically, it would be a cop out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adgar Click here to enlarge
    Why do you think that? The N54 R&D is in full swing with the 335i and 135i cars. I have thought about this during lunch and the idea that I wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel on tuning and some aftermarket basics will be nice IMO.
    Because look at the N55 platform. BMW added some new tricks to make it harded to modifiy. I'm sure there will be new parameters in place that will make it very hard to modify.
    This car is basically just a 335is

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    All the n54 needs is bigger turbos. Hell some of the guys here are pushing 17-18psi on pump gas with maxed out timing. Give the m a n54 with a two bigger turbos or 1 big turbo and it will make power till redline all day long.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    All the n54 needs is bigger turbos. Hell some of the guys here are pushing 17-18psi on pump gas with maxed out timing. Give the m a n54 with a two bigger turbos or 1 big turbo and it will make power till redline all day long.
    Fine, that works. BMW should at least give this motor a different freaking turbo, at least that.

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    Yeppers. I agree with you Sticky.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
    Because look at the N55 platform. BMW added some new tricks to make it harded to modifiy. I'm sure there will be new parameters in place that will make it very hard to modify.
    This car is basically just a 335is
    I wouldn't say, it is basically a 335is.

    It is more like a shorter wheelbase M3, with less HP.

    Lets not forget about driving dynamics and the large amount of M3 parts swapped over.

    This thing will most likely be the best handling BMW you can buy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Lets not forget about driving dynamics and the large amount of M3 parts swapped over.

    This thing will most likely be the best handling BMW you can buy.
    It will be the best handling, but it won't have a motor that lives up to what an M car should get.

    Won't be like an M3, it will be different.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It definitely will make it easier to mod but BMW essentially would be giving you an N54 with a tune. Complete sell out and marketing, no special motor as M's have always had. Basically, it would be a cop out.
    Yes and no IMO. The car would be a tuned M N54. Don't the S54 and M54 share some characteristics? M cars are also more than just a motor. Brakes, LSD, handling are all parts of the M car, if M engineers fail on the handling and balance of the 1M then yes, its a cop out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adgar Click here to enlarge
    Yes and no IMO. The car would be a tuned M N54. Don't the S54 and M54 share some characteristics? M cars are also more than just a motor. Brakes, LSD, handling are all parts of the M car, if M engineers fail on the handling and balance of the 1M then yes, its a cop out.
    The S54 and M54 and radically different, way more so than just an N54 with a more aggressive tune vs. regular tune.

    Yes, brakes, LSD, handling are all part of it and can just go in an M-sport package can't they?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The S54 and M54 and radically different, way more so than just an N54 with a more aggressive tune vs. regular tune.

    Yes, brakes, LSD, handling are all part of it and can just go in an M-sport package can't they?
    The M sport packages I have seen are more cosmetic than functional performance. The true test will have to be a 135i vs 1M coupe. We shall see.....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Adgar Click here to enlarge
    The M sport packages I have seen are more cosmetic than functional performance. The true test will have to be a 135i vs 1M coupe. We shall see.....
    From what I have been hearing about the motor lately I think it may be slightly special now. We will certainly see.

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    What have you been hearing?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
    What have you been hearing?
    I'll make a thread on my impressions soon.

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