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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    Brenn does use a dynapack which usually read a little higher from my experience.
    From what experience? Have you ever used Bren's dyno because it read 100% on target.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    I never understood how people believe that they have supermotors, anyone in NY familar with performance motorsports in Smithtown, NY ? They have a Mustang Dyno and for whatever reasons it reads stupidly high....My 370z put down 342 there where the rest of the united states sees around 315-320 TOPS... I wouldnt even mention that on a forum. Yet a member there posted his post tune only dynochart at around 330whp and said well since its a mustang dyno i should be close to 375 whp and some forum guys believed it where others ripped him apart.. He argued to no end his car was a freak, just funny to me.
    That's why you NEED a stock baseline on the same dyno (and if possible in the same conditions). It's all about the deltas. If you're baselining at 300 & post tune hit 330 WHP, that's obviously nothing special.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    I never understood how people believe that they have supermotors, anyone in NY familar with performance motorsports in Smithtown, NY ? They have a Mustang Dyno and for whatever reasons it reads stupidly high....My 370z put down 342 there where the rest of the united states sees around 315-320 TOPS... I wouldnt even mention that on a forum. Yet a member there posted his post tune only dynochart at around 330whp and said well since its a mustang dyno i should be close to 375 whp and some forum guys believed it where others ripped him apart.. He argued to no end his car was a freak, just funny to me.


    At this point we know what these cars make, no one motor is going to be a super motor... when boost and timing are maxed with solid afr and no timing being pulled , that will make X amount of hp on any n54 give or take a few hp.. no n54 stock turbos is doing 470whp (with stock motor/head and current tuning options)... you are fooling only yourself beliving that...

    Also, unless its a dynojet i woulnt post anything stating record runs or my car is a super fast n54 ... Dynojets are atleast somewhat consistant. To impress people go to the strip and get TRAP speeds... i feel like the new wave of n54 owners dont go to the strip nearly as much as they did back a few years ago and things have only gotten better... terry trapped 124-125 and shows graphs of 455 or so, D's 6m record still blows everyone elses away and he showed less power than that at the time... I would be 100000x more impressed with a 124 mph trap speed than any dyno graph of any stock turbo car.

    Its not always "HP" but details. I ws only doing 115mph FBO and racegas prior to RB's. Hell, first few outings WITH RBs i was only doing 120-122mph it wasnt until i started getting serious about going fast and monitoring EVERYTHING that real speed came.

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    oh i agree, def more than hp in trap speeds for sure but a good solid trap speed is always more impressive than any thread titled "look what I dynoed." Turbo kit development dyno threads , before/after mod dyno threads are always welcome though.

    And benzy those dyno threads are certainly great, but they are few and far between.

    Even myself when I get the stage two turbos without a baseline that I dont have due to various reasons its really not all that credible. But on a dynojet at 20 psi to 18 if could be used as a decent comparison.
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    Dyno's sell hardware, ET's keep customers

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    From what experience? Have you ever used Bren's dyno because it read 100% on target.
    In my experience, and a quick google it appears the results agree with my experience, that dynapacks generally read higher. I am not bashing Bren, they are who I am going to have tune my ride.

    SAE Paper #2002-01-0887, you'll have to pay to download it, but the testing data is supposedly outstanding. You'll see that rolling resistance losses alone on a roller dyno can be quite large. In the test case, it was shown that for a 245/50/17 tire the losses were 16 hp at 110 mph. This is a loss that will not be present on a Dynapack. Something to think about.

    At the end of the day it doesn't really matter the type of dyno only the delta. On top of that trap speed and ets really tell the tale.

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    LM... if you trap over 113/114 in a stock M3, then you either have a sketchy track or a DA that is not repeatable anywhere.
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    Atco is not sketchy

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justohigh Click here to enlarge
    I expected a different outcome. Wonder if it can be difference in tune.
    Older vid but that's about right.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    my pump gas n54 went 117-118 full weight. Outside of fairtale track, that will beat a bolt on dct m3 Click here to enlarge
    No, it won't. You like to arbitrarily apply slips from one place in one set of conditions to another.

    It doesn't work that way.

    The video isn't CGI, what happened, is what happened. M3's have done 118 with bolt on's on slower tracks than the magical East Coast ones so don't know what to tell you if you want to play that game.

    The bias is strong with this one.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    I dont know anything about this race but I do know that an FBO 335i protuned on e85 will pull bus lengths on any non supercharged m3.
    Bus lengths now huh?

    N54 owners and their over-inflated feelings about how quick their cars are always amused and continue to amuse me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    I ws only doing 115mph FBO and racegas prior to RB's.
    But others do 117 pump eh?

    The top end of the S65 will always allow it to better use its power. The M3 is simply more efficient.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    Dyno's sell hardware, ET's keep customers
    I think trap speeds are far more vital.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    Atco is not sketchy
    It's a fast track, period.
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    would any of you S65 guys want to run into this guy on the street? (have a nice day!)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    would any of you S65 guys want to run into this guy on the street? (have a nice day!)

    http://germanboost.com/showthread.ph...t-street-tires
    124 trap? Heh, better hope it's not on the highway with a blown M3.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    124 trap? Heh, better hope it's not on the highway with a blown M3.
    I thought this conversation was about FBO M3 vs FBO 335? Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean you need to change your story sticky...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But others do 117 pump eh?

    The top end of the S65 will always allow it to better use its power. The M3 is simply more efficient.
    I believe Steve was there to verify Click here to enlarge. And no, atco is not fast. Cecil is fast.
    sorry but I have to see a bolt m3 do anything that would be considered impressive in the past 2 years or so.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No, it won't. You like to arbitrarily apply slips from one place in one set of conditions to another.

    It doesn't work that way.

    The video isn't CGI, what happened, is what happened. M3's have done 118 with bolt on's on slower tracks than the magical East Coast ones so don't know what to tell you if you want to play that game.

    The bias is strong with this one.
    Magical east coast tracks that are verified by vboxes? Or you talking about sac where every tuner used its inflated traps to market their abilities?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    would any of you S65 guys want to run into this guy on the street? (have a nice day!)
    Only problem with that is it's a 6MT, which means you run an M3 (especially a DCT) every shift is gonna have to be perfect to keep the lead. You take too long between gears, you're gonna lose the lead while the N54 builds boost back up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    would any of you S65 guys want to run into this guy on the street? (have a nice day!)

    http://germanboost.com/showthread.ph...t-street-tires
    My car is daily driven in that exact setup every day too lol.

    None of the supercharged m3's in the DMV area run their cars to my knowledge. I'd like to run one for $#@!s. I'd probably lose but it'd be fun.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    LM... if you trap over 113/114 in a stock M3, then you either have a sketchy track or a DA that is not repeatable anywhere.
    i ran 115 100% stock in neg DA, same day ERM ran 131 in his ess 625. since then i went FBO and only did 112 there in "normal" weather

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But others do 117 pump eh?

    The top end of the S65 will always allow it to better use its power. The M3 is simply more efficient.
    i cannot agree with this. i did 115 on blown turbos and jb3 1.3 maybe 1.4 so maybe 16 psi? i think i did about 380hp
    people run 18+ these days with meth and e85, well over 400 hp i have yet to see a non-FI M3 beat a current setup FBO N54

    BUT, ill gladly run any N54 just to clarify

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    I thought this conversation was about FBO M3 vs FBO 335? Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean you need to change your story sticky...
    I thought my comment was in response to a post I quoted that said "any S65 guys" ? Maybe you need to look up the word context and read it again?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    Magical east coast tracks that are verified by vboxes? Or you talking about sac where every tuner used its inflated traps to market their abilities?
    You have anti-Shiv hate but Sac was recalibrated a long time ago not sure why this hasn't sunken in yet. Regardless, Sac doesn't see the DA the East Coast tracks do. Fastest tracks on the East Coast their times are more inflated than anything else. 10 second z06's eh? LOL come do that at Sac.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    I believe Steve was there to verify Click here to enlarge. And no, atco is not fast. Cecil is fast.
    sorry but I have to see a bolt m3 do anything that would be considered impressive in the past 2 years or so.
    ATCO is most definitely fast and most definitely gets good prep and favorable DA.

    I don't care if you have seen an M3 do anything that you consider impressive. The video speaks for itself.
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