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    Radiant heat in the engine bay with larger turbo kits

    Hey guys,

    When I was picking up the 135i from LT BMW last week I noticed a single turbo car in for repair. Apparently some parts under the hood had melted due to radiant heat from the turbo kit itself. The manifold was wrapped with header tape (not a fan of the stuff, had a fire with it years ago), but that still wasn't enough to protect everything. I think it was AC lines and some wires that melted. Anyway, heat management is something to keep in mind when installing aftermarket kits like this. Be it the FFTEC kit, VT3, or a hand made setup. Having everything thermal coated is probably a good first step. And metal heat shields may be required.

    Just something to keep an eye on if running a kit like this.

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    HHmmm. thats interesting.. I wonder if the owner cares to comment

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    HHmmm. thats interesting.. I wonder if the owner cares is allowed to comment
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    lol I don't think he is allowed to and I purposely didn't mention his name to keep him out of trouble. Anyway this is not a knock on their kit. Just one more attention to detail item that needs some attention. Click here to enlarge
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    probably not allowed is right

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    care to use your 1 post per day to comment on this?

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    the typical shiv buyer wont never post about this.....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    the typical shiv buyer wont never post about this.....

    depend on who it is.. we thought the same thing about the lackluster MPH at the drags we saw from a different member here. AND the misfire issue that I dont think has been solved.. hey whatever happened to that tmo335TT?

    but i think most people want to talk about it, unless the shiv is reimbursing a portion of it

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    This is where i point people who wonder why F1 is so expensive. We package the engine and gearbox with no room for external breathing. Then again, we also wrap all heat producing elements with gold. There was a image [ taken down apparently] of a carbon fibre bonnet on a car that ran a single, wasnt pretty!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Hey guys,

    When I was picking up the 135i from LT BMW last week I noticed a single turbo car in for repair. Apparently some parts under the hood had melted due to radiant heat from the turbo kit itself. The manifold was wrapped with header tape (not a fan of the stuff, had a fire with it years ago), but that still wasn't enough to protect everything. I think it was AC lines and some wires that melted. Anyway, heat management is something to keep in mind when installing aftermarket kits like this. Be it the FFTEC kit, VT3, or a hand made setup. Having everything thermal coated is probably a good first step. And metal heat shields may be required.

    Just something to keep an eye on if running a kit like this.

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    Yeah I've seen it too. I'm wondering if different years had different materials for some of the plastics. My car still looks fine, but I have seen others with melted components.
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    I don't get it, this potentially could cause an engine bay fire and lead to some serious, serious issues. A person's life is a bit more important than market perception isn't it?

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    I hope shiv is going to pay for the damage

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BOOST3D Click here to enlarge
    I hope shiv is going to pay for the damage
    Ya and I hope for peace in the Middle East.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Ya and I hope for peace in the Middle East.
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    Has anybody done any under hood temp testing? Switching to a vented hood, removing all the seals etc.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BOOST3D Click here to enlarge
    I hope shiv is going to pay for the damage

    I find it interesting that Shiv didn't have this issue with "over 20k hard-driven miles"

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    It's gotta be creaminz car. He's the only ST owner I know of in la and has ltbmw do all his work. Hopefully shiv steps up and takes care of it but I'm not holding my breath

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    Radiant heat is a $#@!. I blew through about 4 O2 sensors on the rear bank with my home made top-mount setup; but no problems on the front bank. The front sensor is in a much cooler spot, so I'm thinking what's good for the goose is good for the gander (which is apparently is just a MALE goose... Kind of redundant LOL). Anyway, I'll have an update on all of that, soon.

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    I need to make some correction. It was AC line that was busted which never heat wrapped/heat sleeve from the beginning which I should have. So we extened ac lines to go around the manifold and this time heat wrapped the $#@! out of it, so far so good. I thought Terry liked my car Click here to enlarge didnt know he sherlock holmes my property to find any flaw he can find. Not coo brahhh

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by creaminz Click here to enlarge
    I need to make some correction. It was AC line that was busted which never heat wrapped/heat sleeve from the beginning which I should have. So we extened ac lines to go around the manifold and this time heat wrapped the $#@! out of it, so far so good. I thought Terry liked my car Click here to enlarge didnt know he sherlock holmes my property to find any flaw he can find. Not coo brahhh
    Car looks sweet with the new fenders, etc! I saw a few things including the melted stuff. Not my place to comment on your car which was why I didn't and won't mention any specifics of anything I do or do not know about it. Just that radiant heat is something to keep an eye on with these aftermarket turbo setups. I think the manifold should be coated and a heat shield or two added.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CaptainInsano Click here to enlarge
    Yeah I've seen it too. I'm wondering if different years had different materials for some of the plastics. My car still looks fine, but I have seen others with melted components.
    It should be easy to correct. Maybe they could weld a couple points to the top of the manifold to allow a shield to screw down between the engine and the fender, for example.
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    The issue is half the crap under the hood of modern cars is made of plastic!!!! It might be time to really think about a functional vented hood for these guys!

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    I wonder if this will be more of an issue for AT cars since the radiater is cooling both the engine and the tranny. Plus the fftec turbo is only oil cooled unlike the Vargas kit is both oil and water cooled like the stock turbos. Anyways glad it was an easy fix!

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    The exhaust manifold gets retardedly hot, even with the header wrap. I had one of the plastic connectors for the boost solenoid fall on it without me knowing (the connector isn't used and is supposed to be tucked under the engine cover. The connector started melting to the exhaust manifold. Luckily, I caught it before any serious damage was done. I constantly checked those things after that, though, and everything around it. Vented hood might be a good idea.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    AND the misfire issue that I dont think has been solved.. hey whatever happened to that tmo335TT?
    The misfire issue was completely cleared up on my car after I installed the SMFW. Never got one again after that. I believe tmo335TT sold his car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
    The misfire issue was completely cleared up on my car after I installed the SMFW. Never got one again after that. I believe tmo335TT sold his car.
    lol, tmo sold his car? how odd..

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