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    Congrats. Great work being done to further this platform!!! The numbers are very impressive, but I'd like to see how this thing performs. Let's see some numbers on the track and how it stands up against other cars. And on top of it all, how reliable is this setup. But regardless, still a great job.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    People argue trap speeds and 60-130 based on the information that's been presented by each party when in reality ALL you need is the information from the tuners.

    The car that flows more air in and out will go faster, all other things constant. This is really all you need, and there are no discrepancies analyzing this vs. the contrary.
    then, how are there multiple 127-129mph RB cars, 1 130+ ST car, and multiple 125mph ST cars.. the discrepancy is too much.

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    Stop arguing the contrary if you are having trouble with discrepancies. What you said not only doesn't make sense it really doesn't address anything I said. Elaborate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    People argue trap speeds and 60-130 based on the information that's been presented by each party when in reality ALL you need is the information from the tuners.


    ST tuner discrepency- tuners results are above and beyond what paying customers can achieve
    RB turbo customers and tuners achieve similar results


    The car that flows more air in and out will go faster, all other things constant. This is really all you need, and there are no discrepancies analyzing this vs. the contrary.
    ST cars are not much, if ANY faster than RB cars , so theories and data from tuners is inconsistent in real-world results
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    People argue trap speeds and 60-130 based on the information that's been presented by each party when in reality ALL you need is the information from the tuners.

    The car that flows more air in and out will go faster, all other things constant. This is really all you need, and there are no discrepancies analyzing this vs. the contrary.
    I think LM handled it. But seriously, step back; there's a reason people want these numbers, and it's not because they don't know the things you just said.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    People argue trap speeds and 60-130 based on the information that's been presented by each party when in reality ALL you need is the information from the tuners.

    The car that flows more air in and out will go faster, all other things constant. This is really all you need, and there are no discrepancies analyzing this vs. the contrary.
    You ever heard of the term "Dyno Queen"? Just because the data & dyno numbers are there, there are NO guarantees that the data + dyno sheet will translate into real world, usable power.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    You ever heard of the term "Dyno Queen". Just because the data & dyno numbers are there, there are NO guarantees that the data + dyno sheet will translate into real world, usable power.
    ^^^ This.

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    You shouldn't have to make excuses for a kit, the numbers, track times, etc should speak for themselves....the ST has been anything but impressive IMO. Its not something I'd pay money for that's for sure.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    People argue trap speeds and 60-130 based on the information that's been presented by each party when in reality ALL you need is the information from the tuners.

    The car that flows more air in and out will go faster, all other things constant. This is really all you need, and there are no discrepancies analyzing this vs. the contrary.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    Stop arguing the contrary if you are having trouble with discrepancies. What you said not only doesn't make sense it really doesn't address anything I said. Elaborate.
    The stupidity of your posts do not deserve responses.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    You ever heard of the term "Dyno Queen"? Just because the data & dyno numbers are there, there are NO guarantees that the data + dyno sheet will translate into real world, usable power.
    Dyno data is directly derived from the acceleration data on the rollers. One gear pull on the rollers and one gear pull on the street should match nicely. This is why virtual data works as far as the parameters are right and road is level. 60-130mph has just one shift typically meaning no chances to screw much. So it relates quite well with the dyno. A lot of turbo power together with slow spool does not guarantee nice ETs because the outcome is dependent on other factors. Especially 6MT N54s with a lot of power have high variance in 1/4. So, dyno figures translate into performance only in cases where the external variables can be controlled.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Dyno data is directly derived from the acceleration data on the rollers. One gear pull on the rollers and one gear pull on the street should match nicely. This is why virtual data works as far as the parameters are right and road is level. 60-130mph has just one shift typically meaning no chances to screw much. So it relates quite well with the dyno. A lot of turbo power together with slow spool does not guarantee nice ETs because the outcome is dependent on other factors. Especially 6MT N54s with a lot of power have high variance in 1/4. So, dyno figures translate into performance only in cases where the external variables can be controlled.
    Taking performance #s off a dyno will give you a "baseline", but it certainly shouldn't be taken as the best, most accurate performance measurement. Here are my 3 biggest problems of using a dyno to measure acceleration :
    1. The problems with dynos is 99% of the dynos used are not wheel hub dynos, which likely will mean there is a less than 100% traction between the wheels & roller. Also, not only can tire size impact values on a dyno, but tire compound can alter results (article posted on the PTF Blog going into further detail).
    2. The stress on the drivetrain (especially an AWD car) is significantly higher on a dyno then it is on the road, specifically because of the resistance. Naturally this will impact your times.
    3. What kind of dynos are we talking about -- Inertia vs. Load. Even besides that, if the dyno operates with a fluid, the longer duration of the pulls, the viscosity of the hydrolic fluid often changes altering the results (Higher temperature = Less viscosity = Less resistance = "Better" results).No matter what road you're on, the resistance between the tires & pavement is a constant + won't change (resistance doesn't decrease as you continue the pull, aiding in acceleration).


    With most 60-130 results, people come "rolling" through 60 (60 isn't the "starting" speed), so at that point the are in the optimal accelerating gear & have already built up boost (if FI'd). We also need to remember that 1st & foremost, dynos are a tuning tool and you should take performance numbers with a grain of salt because of the lack of consistency from one dyno to another. Yes, I know that acceleration should be constant regardless of what dyno you're on, but there's no way to guarantee that.


    Bottom line, 60-130 times are a combination of showcasing area under the curve + gearing, and you're never going to accurately simulate road conditions on a dyno.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Taking performance #s off a dyno will give you a "baseline", but it certainly shouldn't be taken as the best, most accurate performance measurement. Here are my 3 biggest problems of using a dyno to measure acceleration :
    1. The problems with dynos is 99% of the dynos used are not wheel hub dynos, which likely will mean there is a less than 100% traction between the wheels & roller. Also, not only can tire size impact values on a dyno, but tire compound can alter results (article posted on the PTF Blog going into further detail).
    2. The stress on the drivetrain (especially an AWD car) is significantly higher on a dyno then it is on the road, specifically because of the resistance. Naturally this will impact your times.
    3. What kind of dynos are we talking about -- Inertia vs. Load. Even besides that, if the dyno operates with a fluid, the longer duration of the pulls, the viscosity of the hydrolic fluid often changes altering the results (Higher temperature = Less viscosity = Less resistance = "Better" results).No matter what road you're on, the resistance between the tires & pavement is a constant + won't change (resistance doesn't decrease as you continue the pull, aiding in acceleration).


    With most 60-130 results, people come "rolling" through 60 (60 isn't the "starting" speed), so at that point the are in the optimal accelerating gear & have already built up boost (if FI'd). We also need to remember that 1st & foremost, dynos are a tuning tool and you should take performance numbers with a grain of salt because of the lack of consistency from one dyno to another. Yes, I know that acceleration should be constant regardless of what dyno you're on, but there's no way to guarantee that.


    Bottom line, 60-130 times are a combination of showcasing area under the curve + gearing, and you're never going to accurately simulate road conditions on a dyno.
    While most of this is true, there are similar amount of more crucial uncontrollable variables in the real world. There are uphills, downhills, head wind, tail wind and most of the factors you mentioned above have an impact in the street as well, traction, tyre compound etc etc.

    There is no perfect data from any one point that can represent the performance in the real world.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    While most of this is true, there are similar amount of more crucial uncontrollable variables in the real world. There are uphills, downhills, head wind, tail wind and most of the factors you mentioned above have an impact in the street as well, traction, tyre compound etc etc.

    There is no perfect data from any one point that can represent the performance in the real world.
    Agreed but 60-130 and 1/4 mile times/traps are at least data collected in the "real world" with someone driving the car on the road, not on rollers with a big fan Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    Agreed but 60-130 and 1/4 mile times/traps are at least data collected in the "real world" with someone driving the car on the road, not on rollers with a big fan Click here to enlarge
    They are like different sports. Some compete with dyno figures, others with 1/4 and both are nice to follow even for those who won't attend in these sports. For me the real world measure is the lap time at the local track. Different sports require different things, for dyno sports you do engine and turbo modding and tuning, for 1/4 you do some more stuff other than the power only and driver is a factor as well, for racing it is a lot about the driver skill and even less about the car. However, the car is a major element also in the latter sports. On the other hand, lap time is also the most covering performance measure of a car. It's about the power, suspension aerodynamics, brakes etc.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    On the other hand, lap time is also the most covering performance measure of a car.
    Even with lap times you have the hard core guys with cars that can go all out for a full tank of gas versus the "1 lap wonders" who can cut a good lap time but the brakes will give out soon after.

    I just enjoy a fast car. I don't need it to be faster than yours.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Carl Morris Click here to enlarge
    Even with lap times you have the hard core guys with cars that can go all out for a full tank of gas versus the "1 lap wonders" who can cut a good lap time but the brakes will give out soon after.

    I just enjoy a fast car. I don't need it to be faster than yours.
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    We need to start a poll. What picks up more girls?

    1) Dyno numbers
    2) 1/4 mile or 60-130mph time
    4) lap times
    5) hellaflush

    That is the kit I ultimately want.

    If I go stage three will I get a free model girlfriend @VargasTurboTech?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    We need to start a poll. What picks up more girls?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    We need to start a poll. What picks up more girls?

    1) Dyno numbers
    2) 1/4 mile or 60-130mph time
    4) lap times
    5) hellaflush

    That is the kit I ultimately want.

    If I go stage three will I get a free model girlfriend @VargasTurboTech ?
    You left out option 3: you've got so much game, even your car has game
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    We need to start a poll. What picks up more girls?

    1) Dyno numbers
    2) 1/4 mile or 60-130mph time
    4) lap times
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