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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    Welcome to BB dude
    Thank you! I've been lurking for a while and drooling at the opportunities that Tony/PTF/Cobb/Terry/RB have given us.
    Need more boost........

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewills Click here to enlarge
    Oh, wait!!! I'm not getting stage 3 just yet Click here to enlarge.
    Awe man...lol. Anyway...glad you're here! We could use more 1M love! So what are your plans? Or are you just happy the vargas is pushing the compe
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
    Uh no, it won't. The Vargas setup makes more power under the curve over the rpm span that covers gear changes. The only time the Vishnu setup makes more power is in the early part of the rpm band that never gets touched except at launch. And even then, the sharp torque increase vs the broad increase of the Vargas setup will be much harder to control and induce more wheelspin.
    I was thinking the same thing. For the 60-120 race...I would think it wouldn't matter because the car would be in hgher revs....as for the 1/4 mile...wouldn't the lower torque lend to better traction and as the torque/hp went up the car would just accelerate faster with less chance os wheel spin?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
    Uh no, it won't. The Vargas setup makes more power under the curve over the rpm span that covers gear changes. The only time the Vishnu setup makes more power is in the early part of the rpm band that never gets touched except at launch. And even then, the sharp torque increase vs the broad increase of the Vargas setup will be much harder to control and induce more wheelspin.

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    This single curve was produced at less boost which comes on earlier for similar mass flow potential. Still too early to choose for me, as I do like the twin setup... but single is looking better so far.

    For the sharp torque curve this is what you want. You can always modulate the throttle for control.

    Great job Tony and crew... love reading the forums these days.

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    A List of Former Believers & Disbelievers (Quoted from E90post)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
    BMW tortured the hell out of the N54 motor to find its max potential and then rolled it back.

    I would say 800+ hp before something breaks which will start with lack of fuel if they are going to use the stock fuel pumps.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    I think 800hp is attainable assuming tuning is spot on. I seen a recent magazine article where they took a stock junkyard 4.8 liter LS engine and made around 1,400hp for dozens of passes and it never blew.
    I know its a completely different engine, but the pics ive seen of the N54s bottom end/recipricating assembly looks very similar to the LS series.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
    Lol who told you this? 800 hp? You think they rolled it back 500 hp?
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Syndicategt Click here to enlarge
    Here's his ass :moon: and here are the numbers that came out.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by WDBi Click here to enlarge
    if bmw made a 800hp engine they would just put it in the m3 and and walk over all of their competition but they didnt they made a 300hp engine tried it out in 35i cars and then tried to market it as something different (1m)
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sigma 3 Click here to enlarge
    I too wish for 800 hp. My prob is the way you presented it. Then the guy posting after you gets exited, tell all of his friends BWW makes a 800 hp 335 and here comes the zombie apacolypse!... not really but misinformation in a thread like this can be a problem. When you are done starting a zombie up rising here are some 800+ hp BMW engines that have been "totured" to there "max potential" ! Enjoy:thumbsup: http://www.usautoparts.net/bmw/engines/racing.htm
    So all those people who thought I was talking out my a$$ about the N54 making it to 800hp...well....you can now kiss my Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    Awe man...lol. Anyway...glad you're here! We could use more 1M love! So what are your plans? Or are you just happy the vargas is pushing the compe
    I'm definitely seeing Vargas Stage 2 in my near future, but its been very exciting watching these professionals working together.
    Need more boost........

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    This single curve was produced at less boost which comes on earlier for similar mass flow potential. Still too early to choose for me, as I do like the twin setup... but single is looking better so far.
    Are we still comparing boost between the two completely different turbo setups Click here to enlarge And there's nothing attractive about the single because it still doesn't work 100%. It also took a forced revision after ~1 full year of being on sale for Shiv to offer the 6466 turbo option, otherwise the Vargas Stage 3 (and remember this isn't the Top Tier Kit) would've walked right on by unchallenged.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Nah, it serves only to give Shiv yet another venue to propagate his bull$#@!. If I were Tony I'd just ignore Shiv all together, get these kits in the hands of his tuners (Dzenno, myself, Jake, and whomever else will be tuning them), and let us show Shiv and his customers what the hardware is really capable of.
    Exactly that BBQ offer is absolutely stupid and not genuine at all.


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    Is sick335 a shiv dicksucker?
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    I'm down for the dyno day shootout but a mile roll race event would be better.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by WDBi Click here to enlarge
    If if and i would like to make a point IF Shivs 700whp dyno is real it will beat the current vargas setup
    doubt it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Are we still comparing boost between the two completely different turbo setups Click here to enlarge And there's nothing attractive about the single because it still doesn't work 100%. It also took a forced revision after ~1 full year of being on sale for Shiv to offer the 6466 turbo option, otherwise the Vargas Stage 3 (and remember this isn't the Top Tier Kit) would've walked right on by unchallenged.
    true, this is on the GTX2863 correct? 2867 would be another decent step straight up.

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    I agree. Here's how I picture it. Lets say its 60 roll, the ST car will probably get a little bit ahead but the TT will pull on the higher end. From that point onto the next shifts, it'll essentially keep pulling farther.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    doubt it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Are we still comparing boost between the two completely different turbo setups Click here to enlarge
    Boost to HP relationship between the 2 setups is very similar.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
    Previous and First Believers:

    First im man enough to admit you where right. But like I said my issue was with the way you presented it. You talked about torture testing as if you knew what they did. but did not present any data to support your claim. you could have been just speculating ,guessing, but I took it as you knew of a sitiation that involved said engine put through the paces.






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    So all those people who thought I was talking out my a$$ about the N54 making it to 800hp...well....you can now kiss my Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blisstik Click here to enlarge
    I agree. Here's how I picture it. Lets say its 60 roll, the ST car will probably get a little bit ahead but the TT will pull on the higher end. From that point onto the next shifts, it'll essentially keep pulling farther.
    Not to mention... Last air strip event i vaguely remember certain st cars getting walked by.. Just about everything? Even rb equipped ones?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    For the sharp torque curve this is what you want. You can always modulate the throttle for control.
    I take it that you've never driven a small displacement, big turbo car at the strip before? Sure, modulate the throttle for throttle control Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    true, this is on the GTX2863 correct? 2867 would be another decent step straight up.
    Bingo Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
    Uh no, it won't. The Vargas setup makes more power under the curve over the rpm span that covers gear changes. The only time the Vishnu setup makes more power is in the early part of the rpm band that never gets touched except at launch. And even then, the sharp torque increase vs the broad increase of the Vargas setup will be much harder to control and induce more wheelspin.

    Attachment 29851
    Your interpretation of that graph is pretty far off.. Also your explanation in regards to power delivery/traction clearly shows you have very little experience driving a high horsepower RWD turbo car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dan avoN7 Click here to enlarge
    Your interpretation of that graph is pretty far off.. Also your explanation in regards to power delivery/traction clearly shows you have very little experience driving a high horsepower RWD turbo car.
    Whatever you say, junior Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
    Uh no, it won't. The Vargas setup makes more power under the curve over the rpm span that covers gear changes. The only time the Vishnu setup makes more power is in the early part of the rpm band that never gets touched except at launch. And even then, the sharp torque increase vs the broad increase of the Vargas setup will be much harder to control and induce more wheelspin.

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    Repped for data and not rhetoric - ahem @WDBi put down the Kool-aid.

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    @VargasTurboTech @dzen

    Do either of you think there might be more power on tap if bumping the downpipe flange size up to true 3" and a better flowing exhaust (like the VRSF 3.5 single-pipe or a custom 4" like Ak335i)? I've seen enough Supras in this power range that saw good gains from increasing the exhaust diameter due to the restrictions at the head (and it looks like you're seeing restrictions at the head).

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    How much boost was this? Great numbers guys, getting me excited to get back into the n54 or 55 game!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Nah, it serves only to give Shiv yet another venue to propagate his bull$#@!. If I were Tony I'd just ignore Shiv all together, get these kits in the hands of his tuners (Dzenno, myself, Jake, and whomever else will be tuning them), and let us show Shiv and his customers what the hardware is really capable of.
    Agree. Shiv is just running around trying to steal some of Vargas' thunder & still appear reverent. When he thought he had the hot ticket he was not interested in the Vargas BBQ. Now he is playing catch up & is just looking for exposure like he does not have enough already with a new world record every twenty minutes.

    BTW has he deleted all those obsolete world record claims yet.Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mazdaspeed6 Click here to enlarge
    How much boost was this? Great numbers guys, getting me excited to get back into the n54 or 55 game!
    The 725 was made on 28 flat. D can get into specifics if he chooses, but with some vanos tricks we were able to get more power with less boost.

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