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    Car steering went out and loud rattling noise - Code P2E97

    So I started my car this morning and the car was rattling like there was no tomorrow. I never heard that sound ever on the car, even with the wastegates being loud at times. Sounded like a can was being kicked around the engine bay (I could hear the sound 5 houses down) which is very loud. I figured it was the wastegates acting up for a few minutes. I pulled over and walked back to my house (5-6 houses down) to pick something up. When I get back in the car the sound is not as loud but still louder than normal. When I put the car in drive I have no power sterring. I have to use excessive force to move the sterring wheel to put it back in my driveway. Code that was on AP was P2E97.

    My car has been running fine for a long time. I had my power steering replace 10 months ago due to leakage. I checked garage and down the block where I parked the car for 2 minutres and no trace of leakage. I also had my battery replaced 8 months ago due to replacement. What the hell happened?


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    Belt?

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    I don't think so. Everything looks fine under the hood.
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    Belt.
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    Have a look at the engine with the car running, and make sure the alternator is spinning.

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    If it was an E36 I would say waterpump.
    Now: belt.
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    Belt and your powersteering pulley broke. Bulletin out for it. That battery light is a dead giveaway lol.

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    Put a crowbar up to the PS pump housing if the input shaft is actually spinning and your ear to the crowbar. Any grinding and the pump is dead.

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    You guys were right.

    The rubber is shredded to pieces in the bottom. WTF
    What could of caused this?
    Any DIY?
    @Itsbrokeagain you said there's a bulletin about it. Where?


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    pre 09 I guess, they can touch the subframe and shred... happened to my odl car (07) once
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by marv85 Click here to enlarge
    pre 09 I guess, they can touch the subframe and shred... happened to my odl car (07) once
    This. Repped.

    The PS pump wheel is made of plastic
    ..they like to crack and fall apart.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    This. Repped.

    The PS pump wheel is made of plastic
    ..they like to crack and fall apart.
    Yeah and I hate how BMW won;t take responsibility for it if you're out of warranty.
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    What do I do?
    '07 58k miles
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AltecBX Click here to enlarge
    What do I do?
    '07 58k miles
    The right thing to do would be to change the subframe to the new one, but that's stupid expensive...

    the cheap fix is to "fix" what got screwed this time. Change belts, PS pulley if needed, and make sure the PS pump is bolted solid because it was moving on mine.

    This should shut it up for a decent amount of time. Even if you do this every 10k miles it would be cheaper then the subframe fix.

    But hey try giving BMW some grief and see if you can get it done. I mean warranty or not , this should be covered since it's an "engineering overlook" and not something that changes with time and wear
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    I didnt get a subframe change..AFAIK it is only a slightly smaller pulley that gets put on to cure the issue. Get a new belt and pulley and call it a day.

    BMW will not honor it outside warranty, why would you expect them to? It only happens very rarely, and only in 6MTs....not enough to mandate a recall.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    I didnt get a subframe change..AFAIK it is only a slightly smaller pulley that gets put on to cure the issue. Get a new belt and pulley and call it a day.

    BMW will not honor it outside warranty, why would you expect them to? It only happens very rarely, and only in 6MTs....not enough to mandate a recall.

    by the way, were you getting a clunk at startup or whenever you force the engine to a low rpms (<500)?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    I didnt get a subframe change..AFAIK it is only a slightly smaller pulley that gets put on to cure the issue. Get a new belt and pulley and call it a day.

    BMW will not honor it outside warranty, why would you expect them to? It only happens very rarely, and only in 6MTs....not enough to mandate a recall.
    I had the pulley changed when I changed the power steering pump 10 months ago. Do I order a pulley and belt?

    Also, any DiY?
    Thanks
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by marv85 Click here to enlarge
    by the way, were you getting a clunk at startup or whenever you force the engine to a low rpms (<500)?
    Yeah, but that was typical 6MT noise. Chatter on startup and shutdown. Didnt bother me. I come from straight cut gearboxes, triple disc clutches and 911s...trans noise and brake squeal do not bother me.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AltecBX Click here to enlarge
    I had the pulley changed when I changed the power steering pump 10 months ago. Do I order a pulley and belt?

    Also, any DiY?
    Thanks
    Just a pulley and belt. Check to see if any other rollers went bad. Unfortunatley unless you are mechanically inclined, this is not really a DIY...the tensioner requires a T60 socket, and in my case a 1/2" breakerbar to lever it over and slip the belt on...easiest with two people, but its very easy to round the tensioner socket out, and then you are $#@!ed Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AltecBX Click here to enlarge
    I had the pulley changed when I changed the power steering pump 10 months ago. Do I order a pulley and belt?

    Also, any DiY?
    Thanks
    Was that work done at the dealer? If so it has a warranty...


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    It was done at the dealer, but off the books. I have a tech who works on my car what I can't do in my garage.

    Now do I tow it to a dealer or try to drive it?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AltecBX Click here to enlarge
    It was done at the dealer, but off the books. I have a tech who works on my car what I can't do in my garage.

    Now do I tow it to a dealer or try to drive it?

    have it towed.

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    Cool. Can someone point the belt and top pulley part # in the picture above I need from Tischer.

    Thanks
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    I think you are referring to #1 and #2 in the diagram linked to above.

    11287563927 and 11287628652.

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    Had this happen on my 07, right after the warranty ran out. I showed the bulletin that @Itsbrokeagain mentioned and the dealer swapped the entire subframe.

    May be worth a try getting bmw to fix it, since its a documented issue.

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