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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@PTF Click here to enlarge
    How is this being called open source then? Makes no sense. I guess we'll see what it really is tomorrow
    Because there are other 'tuning platforms' and 'tuning tools' in the automotive industry that use this verbiage. Just because a few reputable people call a dog a cat, doesn't make it a cat IMO.

    But again, I will stand by my comment that I believe it will be good at what it does.
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    Looks like they just can't give up the open source words.

    In a few words, what is the OpenFlash Tablet?
    "...open source map editor (Tuner Pro)"

    Then on TunerPros website their description of TunerPro:
    TunerPro is developed in C++ Win32 API (without MFC/ATL/COM) using Visual Studio 2010 (IDE & Compiler) on Windows 7. As of October 2010, TunerPro (version 5) in its entirety, including all custom controls, comprises 103,000 lines of code (just code lines - no comments or whitespace). The source code is not available so, although I appreciate the interest, please don't ask for it.


    So what is the need for open source reference? Its a map editor. Thats great.


    What is “open source” DME mapping?
    The term “open source”, in the tuning world, refers to being able to have full access to the DME’s ROM file.
    Notice how they have changed it to: "DME Mapping" rather than flashing. Then this appears to be some way of helping the public believe that the dog they call a cat, is in fact a cat, but only in the tuning world. Even though there is still no source code involved. Mapping information inside of a rom file are just values. Data. Not source code which is a collection of computer instructions which comprise a special computer language. In mother Russia, source code writes itself, baby!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge

    So what is the need for open source reference? Its a map editor. Thats great.
    Maybe because it angers people on bimmerboost Click here to enlarge

    but in all seriousness, in my opinion it's a very sweet product and I think the price will surprise a lot of people. Bigger/better with more useful features than the AP (with even more cool stuff currently in development which Cobb would never add). it is a very solid option, and even more so as it continues to be developed.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    Maybe because it angers people on bimmerboost Click here to enlarge

    but in all seriousness, in my opinion it's a very sweet product and I think the price will surprise a lot of people. Bigger/better with more useful features than the AP (with even more cool stuff currently in development which Cobb would never add). it is a very solid option, and even more so as it continues to be developed.
    Not angry. Just tired of the antics. I think its a great product for what it is. Its like calling the Mini Cooper, "Godzilla".

    After reading more, its not even a map editor. Firstly, Tuner Pro isn't open source and its the ONLY thing that they are connecting themselves to that even contains those words, besides their name, "OpenFlash Tablet". I am guessing the Micro Mini Mega version is coming next since he works for apple.

    Secondly, Its not even a map editor, TunerPro is included to do that, not to mention again, Tuner Pro is closed source.

    So what is so open about this outside of the fact that it can flash a rom file? So its a hardware locked rom flasher and diagnostics tool.

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    haha what a let down
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    What's funny is you guys just assume it went this direction because Shiv was involved... Except really you have no idea what Rombinhood's intentions were since he stayed quiet as he was developing.

    In other news the price is kick ass: only $395
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    What's funny is you guys just assume it went this direction because Shiv was involved... Except really you have no idea what Rombinhood's intentions were since he stayed quiet as he was developing.

    In other news the price is kick ass: only $395
    That may be other people's reasoning for the discontent. I was over it once shiv cleared it up, but the real funny part is they continue to use the words open source, and then directly reference TunerPro as being an open source map editor which it clearly is not at all. Then try to define open source as something else entirely.

    Thats like me trying to change the definition of another word...

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    fair enough! Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    fair enough! Click here to enlarge

    With that aside, as I've mentioned before, I think its a great product! We need more people like this helping out and contributing. I just don't like their to be scribbles between the lines, because then it causes people like me to read between the lines.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    What's funny is you guys just assume it went this direction because Shiv was involved...
    Why should we believe otherwise based on precedent? If the community could choose whether to have him involved or not involved what do you think the choice would be?

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    that answer to that is obvious on this forum!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    that answer to that is obvious on this forum!
    I asked you.

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    and I answered. bimmerboost would say no, obviously. it could have been made of pure gold and given to members here for free and people would still find things to complain about. to each their own!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    and I answered. bimmerboost would say no, obviously. it could have been made of pure gold and given to members here for free and people would still find things to complain about. to each their own!
    When it's made out of pure gold let me know.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    When it's made out of pure gold let me know.
    The problem is it will be fools gold. Therefore the complaining ensues.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
    Boosa is the only difference and there are only a couple people with that since it isn't completed. Once done, it will be in all ATR and ATP releases.

    If there are tables missing in ATR from ATP, please send me an email because it was probably just missed for a single rom and I can make an update.

    I do development with tuners so I can see experience outside of our shop and atmospheric conditions. Anything that is in a full release of ATP should also be in ATR.
    Hey just wanted to get a confirmation that ATP and ATR tables are now the same as you told being your company policy and the small difference above that you had by mistake over a year ago is now fixed in the current versions? Thanks!

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