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    Another update: single turbos did well today. Captain Insano's 62mm single turbo ran a fairly ridiculous 163.6mph. Faster than all the other e9x BMWs including Drew's fully built engined supercharged M3. Qualified for the BMW shootout and lost out to a 1000hp turbocharged e46 m3 in the semi finals. But not by much as we expected! Would have loved to meet some of you guys.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
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    Another update: single turbos did well today. Captain Insano's 62mm single turbo ran a fairly ridiculous 163.6mph. Faster than all the other e9x BMWs including Drew's fully built engined supercharged M3. Qualified for the BMW shootout and lost out to a 1000hp turbocharged e46 m3 in the semi finals. But not by much as we expected! Would have loved to meet some of you guys.

    cheers,
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    Wow. 163.6 is moving. Congrats

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hkninja Click here to enlarge
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    How much WHP will the stock 6MT clutch hold? btw, good luck with the build Terry.
    Mine slipped when it got to 470wtq on a mustang dyno. Didn't slip before in the low 400's.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
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    Mine slipped when it got to 470wtq on a mustang dyno. Didn't slip before in the low 400's.

    Stock clutch should be ok for FBO right? Which clutch did you upgrade to?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by hkninja Click here to enlarge
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    Stock clutch should be ok for FBO right? Which clutch did you upgrade to?
    Like anything, it depends how aggressively you're driving the car (repeated launches are gonna kill your clutch) & you're setup FBO (FBO on Pump, FBO + Meth, FBO on E85, etc). For most people, after you upgrade over the OEM snails, it's a matter of time until the OEM clutch gives up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
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    I'm still not sure yet. I would really like to build the tranny as the price I would pay to build it will be almost the same as tax on trading my car for an MT plus a clutch/flywheel. But if no legitimate AT upgrade surfaces before stage 3s start shipping then its looking more like ill be trading her in for an MT. The other problem is if I do trade for an MT I would rather get a 135 but we won't know if it will fit until terry gets his kit installed.

    Before Terry's unfortunate motor issue he had at shift sector I was okay with running the stock at till it blew up but I don't want to pay for a built trans AND a built motor.

    What are your plans?
    I was planning on just running low boost until a legit tranny upgrade came along. Obviously we know the 517 option ain't gonna work now. Level 10 still sounds like a risk IMO. Your idea of trading it in for a 6mt sounds like the best choice so that I wouldn't have to worry about running it on low boost and worrying about the tranny, then I would just be able to let the stage 3's shine. I would really like to see Terry's choice on the 6at rebuild though...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    Like anything, it depends how aggressively you're driving the car (repeated launches are gonna kill your clutch) & you're setup FBO (FBO on Pump, FBO + Meth, FBO on E85, etc). For most people, after you upgrade over the OEM snails, it's a matter of time until the OEM clutch gives up.

    To be honest...I never launches my car. I only do 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear pulls.
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    Sikh's trans didn't last? Major bummer. Well I'm still grateful he is testing the option out. Saved me $5k and a lot of labor. I guess the search continues for a viable option.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
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    6MT conversions ftw
    if the AT AND motor weren't trashed (thereby dropping the cars value by maaaany thousand(s!) ) it would be cheaper just to get another 135i and swap it all over hah

    a 6MT swap excluding labour would be pretty pricey lol ED: on second thoughts.. the 6AT builds are like $4k+ no? yeah well the tranny itself is $1k or so... $3k for the rest of it could be feasible?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
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    a 6MT swap excluding labour would be pretty pricey lol
    If you can source a 6MT cheaply, it's not gonna be that much more than a 6AT "upgrade". This all depends on where you get the swap done.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
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    I actually contacted a couple tranny builders I know. No one wanted to touch it, I gave up. Too many other things on my plate.
    'hey guys, so, i've got a few customers that are going to be making HUGE power, and are guaranteed to be needing to buy upgrades for their transmissions, so, you'll be set to make $10k+ pretty easily in the SHORT TERM.. not to mention people unrelated to me in exactly the same boat, and there's no one else reliable in the market what do you think about that?'

    '.... nah mate, nah'

    apparently people don't like easy money.

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    wouldn't you need your DME flashed? Who is capable to doing that? Because youd no longer have a TCU... youd need an engine wire harness, tranny, DME flash? Pedals , etc
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    If you can source a 6MT cheaply, it's not gonna be that much more than a 6AT "upgrade". This all depends on where you get the swap done.
    yeah i just read it's more like $8k?

    i got my 6MT for $750~ plus shipping (UK>Australia), and i spoke to a few wreckers in the states that quoted around the $1000-$1100 mark.. so you could get the transmission itself for cheap.. labour, pedals, trim, shifter, shift linkage, clutch+flywheel.

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    wouldn't you need your DME flashed? Who is capable to doing that? Because youd no longer have a TCU... youd need an engine wire harness, tranny, DME flash? Pedals , etc
    for a 6MT swap? the coding is super easy, you pretty much turn the 'has auto' option to off and the CEL goes away... harness doesn't need changing as such.. DME doesn't need a 'flash' just connected to and coded.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
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    How did Shiv's car run? Would love to see a video of him and Drew going side by side. Click here to enlarge
    So Shiv and Drew actually ran each other?


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
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    Wow. 163.6 is moving. Congrats
    Crazy part is a GTR ran 203. Those things are just insane.


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    163.6 doesn't sound too impressive to me?

    they do the standing 1/4 in what... 130+ now? easily? these are 40mph roll on's (40 correct)? in HALF a mile.. double the distance, +40mph starting speed, and a +30mph speed at the end

    what's happening that they're ending so (comparatively) slow compared to the 1/4?

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    Do you understand the compounding factor of wind resistance once you get over lets say 100mph? Much more hp is needed to break every mph at high speeds than every mph at low speed.

    Look at it this way, even if these were from a standstill 1/2 mile event, many of these cars would still be running their same top mph most likely or very close, that 0-40mph is nothing. It is just pointless for cars at these hp levels and no need to put that launch strain when that isn't the point of this event.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
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    163.6 doesn't sound too impressive to me?
    For the E9x platform, that is moving.

    It simply isn't ever going to complete with the big boys out there.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
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    163.6 doesn't sound too impressive to me?

    they do the standing 1/4 in what... 130+ now? easily? these are 40mph roll on's (40 correct)? in HALF a mile.. double the distance, +40mph starting speed, and a +30mph speed at the end

    what's happening that they're ending so (comparatively) slow compared to the 1/4?
    Well apparently you need to go back to school. I trap 120 in the quarter but only 147 at shift sector. So considering you weren't there and you have no clue as to what you're talking about, if you don't believe me, ask @Sick335.. He trapped low 150s.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
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    163.6 doesn't sound too impressive to me?

    they do the standing 1/4 in what... 130+ now? easily? these are 40mph roll on's (40 correct)? in HALF a mile.. double the distance, +40mph starting speed, and a +30mph speed at the end

    what's happening that they're ending so (comparatively) slow compared to the 1/4?
    If you figure an average of 145mph over that last quarter mile, they'll only be accelerating for about 6 additional seconds. Not much time to keep accelerating. 163 seems pretty damn good to me.

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    163mph is fast. The trap also depends on your start speed. For example at NoFlyZone I was hitting 159mph on the VBOX starting at 40mph. But different track, different day, etc. I raced one of the GTRs at SS on my last run and he did the cheater start where they floor the car at 20mph and fly by you at the cones @ 50mph, lol. So whether you play by the rules and floor it at the cone or before can also effect the net trap.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
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    163.6 doesn't sound too impressive to me?

    they do the standing 1/4 in what... 130+ now? easily? these are 40mph roll on's (40 correct)? in HALF a mile.. double the distance, +40mph starting speed, and a +30mph speed at the end

    what's happening that they're ending so (comparatively) slow compared to the 1/4?
    Like everyone said, the car is hauling ass to be trapping 160s. You need to keep in perspective the power/weight ratio, gearing & aerodynamics of the 3 series vs. other cars you see posting more impressive results, like this one:
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu Click here to enlarge
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    Another update: single turbos did well today. Captain Insano's 62mm single turbo ran a fairly ridiculous 163.6mph. Faster than all the other e9x BMWs including Drew's fully built engined supercharged M3. Qualified for the BMW shootout and lost out to a 1000hp turbocharged e46 m3 in the semi finals. But not by much as we expected! Would have loved to meet some of you guys.

    cheers,
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    Thats moving man, I wish I would have went today instead of yesterday to watch. Good to hear the cars are running well.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
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    Well apparently you need to go back to school. I trap 120 in the quarter but only 147 at shift sector. So considering you weren't there and you have no clue as to what you're talking about, if you don't believe me, ask @Sick335 .. He trapped low 150s.
    You trap 120's in the 1/4? Welll it's pretty well documented te fastest traps are over 130...


    but 120-147 is a decent jump


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    If you figure an average of 145mph over that last quarter mile, they'll only be accelerating for about 6 additional seconds. Not much time to keep accelerating. 163 seems pretty damn good to me.


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    ah that perspective makes it a bit different, 6 seconds is a bit shorter lol



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    For the E9x platform, that is moving.

    It simply isn't ever going to complete with the big boys out there.
    Well a gt-r (as far as i can gather) has a cd of 2.7... An e9x is 2.8?

    and an e9x would generally have shorter gearing than just about any of the other cars there? (Assuming 3.08?)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
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    Well apparently you need to go back to school. I trap 120 in the quarter but only 147 at shift sector. So considering you weren't there and you have no clue as to what you're talking about, if you don't believe me, ask @Sick335 .. He trapped low 150s.
    147 is fast as hell for stock turbos and you know it. The laws of nature push back pretty hard.
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