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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    From the latest vid I saw of the f80 m3 ripping on the ring, it sounds good, looks quick, and even sounds like it revs higher than a n54. I think the s55 will be great.

    Rumor has it, the new m4 concept will be shown on the second week of august
    Funny just about to post an article on this. I think it sounds like crap.
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    You are still comparing wet weights of the E46 M3 to dry curb weights of the E9X (which was pointed out by Seth in your first weight epiphany thread)

    The E9X has a better engine.
    The E9X has a higher ceiling.
    The E9X has far greater creature comforts.
    The E9X is NOT 100 lbs heavier than the 46M.

    Long Acre scales worldwide have proven this. But lets not let facts get in the way of your story about the S65's dominance over an engine yet to be released.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
    You are still comparing wet weights of the E46 M3 to dry curb weights of the E9X (which was pointed out by Seth in your first weight epiphany thread)
    Um no that's a wet weight posted with fluids. BMW's weight is with a driver and luggage that's where little seth got confused and argued a variable like body mass should be factored in so let's dismiss his illogical diatribe.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MisterEm Click here to enlarge
    The E9X is NOT 100 lbs heavier than the 46M.
    Numbers are posted that say otherwise.

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    But lets not let facts get in the way of your story about the S65's dominance over an engine yet to be released.
    The S65 by virtue of its design is a superior motor to the S55 by virtue of its design. A water/air intercooled inline six just won't hold a candle to an 8400 rpm larger displacement naturally aspirated V8. Period.

    Fact is I just posted a weight, you posted text. That's a fact.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Funny just about to post an article on this. I think it sounds like crap.
    It does sound like crap.

    On another note. I hate all these idiots that post "finally a M3 that will get good gas mileage, now I can finally buy one". Seriously, just shut the f*ck up.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    It does sound like crap.

    On another note. I hate all these idiots that post "finally a M3 that will get good gas mileage, now I can finally buy one". Seriously, just shut the f*ck up.
    I've had two M3's. Never once went into the dealership looking at it for fuel economy reasons. I thought that is why they had other models?
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    The weights of the cars are actually very similar - both when weighed in real life, and straight from the horse's mouth (unladen/wet with all fluids):

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    The weights are extremely close - and that's with the DCT transmission.

    I am still not sure where the extremely high numbers seen everywhere in magazines come from... For those not wanting to do the conversion - the weight of the e92 m3 is 3476lb, e90 is 3531lb - e46 coupe is 3454lb... The CSL is one car I would love to have - weighing in at... Wait (or weight) for it - 3047 lbs... That car would be fun as hell.
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    I am trying to dig up the picture, but I recently had my car on a truck scale at a rest area (not sure how accurate they are - just did it for fun) - and with me in it, it was right above 3700 lbs. I weigh between 180-190 depending on how lazy I have been. I have an 09 e90 - mostly stock, no weight reduction.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    The weights of the cars are actually very similar - both when weighed in real life, and straight from the horse's mouth (unladen/wet with all fluids):

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    The weights are extremely close - and that's with the DCT transmission.

    I am still not sure where the extremely high numbers seen everywhere in magazines come from... For those not wanting to do the conversion - the weight of the e92 m3 is 3476lb, e90 is 3531lb - e46 coupe is 3454lb... The CSL is one car I would love to have - weighing in at... Wait (or weight) for it - 3047 lbs... That car would be fun as hell.
    Boom.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    I am trying to dig up the picture, but I recently had my car on a truck scale at a rest area (not sure how accurate they are - just did it for fun) - and with me in it, it was right above 3700 lbs. I weigh between 180-190 depending on how lazy I have been. I have an 09 e90 - mostly stock, no weight reduction.
    Is your car loaded up on features or basic?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 330indy Click here to enlarge
    Is your car loaded up on features or basic?
    hello?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 330indy Click here to enlarge
    hello?
    Try using a mention @inlineS54B32
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 330indy Click here to enlarge
    hello?
    Yo - sorry about that... Don't have email notifications on anymore - need to turn them back on.

    Yeah, pretty much - I can't think of much it's missing. Again - I am not sure how accurate a truck stop weighstation is, but it is very close to what BMW reports to the sedan with DCT - just not sure how they configure it for testing. This was on a nearly empty tank of gas (why I was at the stop in the first place)

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    Hey thanks a lot. That is good to know. Perhaps BMW is as conservative about weight, leaning heavy, like HP, leaning shy.

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    so now that we've seen and heard about it, the proof will be in the (pudding) driving.
    looking forward to first drives from editorial press.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 330indy Click here to enlarge
    so now that we've seen and heard about it, the proof will be in the (pudding) driving.
    looking forward to first drives from editorial press.
    I will be waiting for actual owners who take their cars to the track. It better be able to do multiple sessions without overheating. If this car requires constant cool down time in the paddock, then forget about it. I could give two sh*ts about what someone says in a magazine.

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    If it can be, converting to Air/Air is the way to go for a car that was designed for legit track duty.
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    No reason water/air can't be used for a car for track duty.
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    Air to air is a preferred setup; not so much for tracking but just driving around in general. I would put a front mount air to air, 3.5" single exhaust (will clean up the sounds from the dual) and up the boost. Prob make 600 hp very easily//


    Surprise people here don't like turbo cars. They are already made more robust from the get go and can make lots of power for little $$$.

    Plus BMW is still known for their 6 cylinders. Not so much their v8s (which IMO are amazing ala s65)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s65e90 Click here to enlarge
    Surprise people here don't like turbo cars.
    The majority of the site is turbocharged.

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    Plus BMW is still known for their 6 cylinders. Not so much their v8s
    Um, no.

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    Air to air is a preferred setup;
    Based on what? BMW is going water/air. Water cools better. Air to air is not preferred.
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    Just cause BMW does it, doesn't make it ideal.

    FWIW I prefer the air to air setups; and have made great/consistent power in heat w/ them

    As far as 6 cylinder heritage and BMW name; yes it's synonomous

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    BMW makes some of the greatest 6-cylinder motors. Just for the hell of it, I just looked up on Wikipedia and under their motors built; it says "famous for 6 cylinder motors"

    others would in fact agree

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s65e90 Click here to enlarge
    Just cause BMW does it, doesn't make it ideal.
    True. What makes it ideal is that water cools better than air.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s65e90 Click here to enlarge
    FWIW I prefer the air to air setups; and have made great/consistent power in heat w/ them
    I prefer water/air.

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    As far as 6 cylinder heritage and BMW name; yes it's synonomous
    BMW is synonymous with great engines, not with cylinder count.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s65e90 Click here to enlarge
    BMW makes some of the greatest 6-cylinder motors. Just for the hell of it, I just looked up on Wikipedia and under their motors built; it says "famous for 6 cylinder motors"

    others would in fact agree
    You can't name famous BMW fours, eights, or twelves?
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    The 6's are good, but to put them, without doubt, above the 12's or 8's or 4's is just narrow-minded.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by s65e90 Click here to enlarge
    BMW makes some of the greatest 6-cylinder motors. Just for the hell of it, I just looked up on Wikipedia and under their motors built; it says "famous for 6 cylinder motors"

    others would in fact agree

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    sure, but the point is that they have one of the best inline sixes ever made. There's a tremendous amount of racing pedigree that went w/ these motors as well.

    Not gonna debate cylinder count, but ask anyone and when you think BMW and engines, the first motor that comes to mind is a 6 cylinder. Sh1t the s85 is one of the best v10 ever made, but it gets little mention

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