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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    How dare you voice your opinion on a public forum that preaches freedom of speech if your opinion differs from the groupies!
    Yes, some comments are just so dense towards others' opinions. Everyone should relax.

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    Doc Race FTMFW! This kit will be so sweeet Click here to enlarge can't wait!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    That would be nice. Alternatively people can easily cut the end of the DPs and make them larger themselves.
    depends if it's a taper like some DP's, or a hard flange or step near the end like others.. the latter being super easy, true.

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    You're just creating more noise with dual 3" all the way down...2.5" duals are perfectly sized

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    Great choice going with Doc racing

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You're just creating more noise with dual 3" all the way down...2.5" duals are perfectly sized
    Aren't our HKS exhausts tapered to 2 - 2.25" (or whatever stock size is) where they meet the DPs?

    I'm thinking of having an exhaust shop cut that section off and making it 2.5" all the way down.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    We tapered it to keep it compatible with 99% of the exhaust people are going to have out there. We have seen no issue with restriction at all. We will see at the higher power levels, but giving people the ability to run the exhaust already on their car saves them some money.
    However though are you planing on having a 3" to 3" DP option ? When we do this I cannot see myself staying with 3" to 2.5" it will have to be 3" to 3".

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You're just creating more noise with dual 3" all the way down...2.5" duals are perfectly sized
    Dual 2.5 is fine up to 800rw+ IMHO. I run 520rw with a single 2.75". But, any muffler shop installing a 3" can cut off the 2.5" flange and weld up whatever they'd like.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Aren't our HKS exhausts tapered to 2 - 2.25" (or whatever stock size is) where they meet the DPs?

    I'm thinking of having an exhaust shop cut that section off and making it 2.5" all the way down.
    They're the OEM size just at the DP/Midpipe flange, the rest of the exhaust opens up to 3". Honestly the most cost effective, sensible option would be muffler shop to build you a complete midpipe section w/ resonators & mate it to your rear section (or axe that & just do straight piping)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You're just creating more noise with dual 3" all the way down...2.5" duals are perfectly sized
    Up to how much?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Dual 2.5 is fine up to 800rw+ IMHO. I run 520rw with a single 2.75". But, any muffler shop installing a 3" can cut off the 2.5" flange and weld up whatever they'd like.
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    hah?

    what Stage 2 TD04/TD035 controversy are you talking about?


    anybody else have a clue?


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Not everyone likes to buy a pig in a poke.

    Yes, preliminary numbers are great. But please stay neutral. I think the Stage 2 TD04/TD035 controversy has shown that a LITTLE scepticism can't hurt.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by neilvosko Click here to enlarge
    hah?

    what Stage 2 TD04/TD035 controversy are you talking about?


    anybody else have a clue?
    The only controversy is based on semantics of what defines custom and what defines turbine nomenclature. It's all pointless really, political forum drama. Just wait for beta results and final specs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
    The only controversy is based on semantics of what defines custom and what defines turbine nomenclature. It's all pointless really, political forum drama. Just wait for beta results and final specs.
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    Such a shame this won't work for RHD! Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You're just creating more noise with dual 3" all the way down...2.5" duals are perfectly sized
    general rule of thumb puts dual 2.5" perfect up to around the 600hp mark doesn't it?.. stock merges to a single 3" at the end too correct?.. goign to twin 3" over twin 2.5" gives you 30% more flow (volume at least) post-dp's too. that's a lot of flow.

    of course it all depends on the actual exhaust setup in the end...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Dual 2.5 is fine up to 800rw+ IMHO. I run 520rw with a single 2.75". But, any muffler shop installing a 3" can cut off the 2.5" flange and weld up whatever they'd like.
    as above, rule of thumb calcs puts dual 3" up to a tiny bit over 800hp?

    unless these engine's really don't have strict exhaust requirements past the DP's, or being turbo'd etc.. though any less backpressure always helps?

    not saying either of you are wrong, but if i'm wrong, how the hell can you ever find out which exhaust size is appropriate? besides exact trial and error on your particular setup lol

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    here's my rant
    The problem is that the n54 has become so available and aftermarket bolt on parts are so readily available and cheap that anyone or his brother can afford one. So when a kit come out, whether it be Vargas/fftec or one you get built custom to your wants, the real life price hurts everyone's feelings who were used to getting dps for 200$ lol. I've said it before and said it again, go build a quality single or twin turbo kit yourself (and I mean quality) have it be functional and then see what you spend Click here to enlarge

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    One question, primarily for Vargas but maybe for others too: can the OEM exhaust manifolds be used instead of custom-made exhaust manifolds, at least for the smaller turbo options ? I was thinking that the OEM turbos can be cut from the manifolds and a v-band flange can be welded and then the Garrett turbos attached.
    The OEM manifolds look better and they are double-walled, so a great quality and looks. And the more OEM parts, the better...or at least this is my way of thinking.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
    Hold on there pal , my comparison was not stupid.

    As a potential customer i have the right to demand what the finished product will look like before i will spend my money.
    So stay a potential or buy from someone else. Nobody is forcing you to buy a product before its in production. More then likely people agreeing to run with prototypes have an arrangement as to price considerations & parts replacement for any problem issues that crop up. Early adopters usually get a price reduction as an incentive.

    Point is, no one in a mask has a gun to your head making you buy something you donít want except for the government. As far as my own personal experience with performance products its been that way going back to the 1960ís.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    One question, primarily for Vargas but maybe for others too: can the OEM exhaust manifolds be used instead of custom-made exhaust manifolds, at least for the smaller turbo options ? I was thinking that the OEM turbos can be cut from the manifolds and a v-band flange can be welded and then the Garrett turbos attached.
    The OEM manifolds look better and they are double-walled, so a great quality and looks. And the more OEM parts, the better...or at least this is my way of thinking.
    No. They are hydroformed, You could weld them, but they would be week and eventually crack. Also, they are hallow, three individual runners directing pressure and heat is better than the stock hollow turbofolds.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    One question, primarily for Vargas but maybe for others too: can the OEM exhaust manifolds be used instead of custom-made exhaust manifolds, at least for the smaller turbo options ? I was thinking that the OEM turbos can be cut from the manifolds and a v-band flange can be welded and then the Garrett turbos attached.
    The OEM manifolds look better and they are double-walled, so a great quality and looks. And the more OEM parts, the better...or at least this is my way of thinking.
    Using a new manifold that can flow more than the stockers is one reason, making the manifolds in a way to help the turbos fit is another, welding cast iron is widely regarding as being very tough and very hard to keep from cracking once welded. This is another.

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    wow, the prices on the vargas web page are insane http://www.vargasturbo.com/n54products.html

    are these the final prices?

    e85 and stage 2 for me then.

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    Not insane at all. 2x gt2871r are ~$2800....still cheaper than the Vishnu fftec single

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    Great move using a reputable company like Doc Race to make the manifold. No sense in Vargas making the manifolds, they make turbos. Quality should be top notch. Divide and conquer.

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