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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    For flatline (ok, major timing corrections) testing purposes on MSD81s (who flatline the most) it is almost always cylinder 1 taking a dump, taking 4 and sometimes 5 with it.

    Someone please show me a legitimate log with this timing correction issue on MSD81 where timing takes a dump in 4th but doesn't take a dump in 1st.

    I got hundreds of logs showing the EXACT same thing. I think that's a very representative sample.
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    It would be nice to see a Cobb log* showing timing corrections due to high boost/low octane on a single cylinder different to Cyl1...

    *in an readable format
    What makes you think that Cylinder 1 is special ? It's a cylinder like any other. If anything, it's the most cooled cylinder and it has the fewest timing drops.

    3 logs attached...out of dozens.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    What makes you think that Cylinder 1 is special ? It's a cylinder like any other. If anything, it's the most cooled cylinder and it has the fewest timing drops.

    3 logs attached...out of dozens.
    He is simply going by what he's seen happen on his own car making it a platform wide scenario/fact. I have two of your logs Ben that show cyl1 quiet with other cylinders such as 5 correcting to -10.x, that you sent me. If you still have your old emails you can find them.

    If anything, cylinder 1's intake manifold runner design (i.e. dimple in the runner for reasons of fitment of the oil filter housing) will prevent cylinder 1 from seeing as much air flow as others and it'd very likely be one that produces the least power of the 6.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    If anything, cylinder 1's intake manifold runner design (i.e. dimple in the runner for reasons of fitment of the oil filter housing) will prevent cylinder 1 from seeing as much air flow as others and it'd very likely be one that produces the least power of the 6.
    Yea, I remember this was a known problem that Mat Morkin & DBFIU were hoping to solve with their intake manifold, unfortunately it seems that never materialized Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Yea, I remember this was a known problem that Mat Morkin & DBFIU were hoping to solve with their intake manifold, unfortunately it seems that never materialized Click here to enlarge
    I just saw the dimple last weekend (don't know why I never looked the many times we took it off). It's a pretty sizable dimple.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    I just saw the dimple last weekend (don't know why I never looked the many times we took it off). It's a pretty sizable dimple.
    Its really a major DENT Click here to enlarge dimple would be too small...now imagine what happens to cylinder 1 when you spray meth through there...can't be pretty
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Its really a major DENT Click here to enlarge dimple would be too small...now imagine what happens to cylinder 1 when you spray meth through there...can't be pretty
    Has nothing to do with meth. Happens on e85 or pump gas only too.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    He is simply going by what he's seen happen on his own car making it a platform wide scenario/fact. I have two of your logs Ben that show cyl1 quiet with other cylinders such as 5 correcting to -10.x, that you sent me. If you still have your old emails you can find them.

    If anything, cylinder 1's intake manifold runner design (i.e. dimple in the runner for reasons of fitment of the oil filter housing) will prevent cylinder 1 from seeing as much air flow as others and it'd very likely be one that produces the least power of the 6.
    And I have logs that correct 3 degrees on cylinder 1 with the other 5 dead quiet as well, only when throttle angle is below 80-81 which was a quirk of race code (along with other issues). The flatline/major correction has absolutely nothing to do with manifold design and everything to do with perceived torque within the tcu. Please forward me these logs btw when you have a chance.

    And again its not unique to my car and everything to do with the fact you aren't tuning with all available tables within the DME.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    Has nothing to do with meth. Happens on e85 or pump gas only too.
    Honestly this guy just likes to argue. It was pretty pretty pretty obvious he referred to meth as it is the only liquid fuel (atomized or not) that is actually traveling through the intake manifold at this point. But hey forget what he was saying just make a post disputing it anyways.

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    Hey guys, new intake manifold design coming very soon. Nafoo and I spent some time looking it over last Sunday. I have managed to eliminate all of the dent in cylinder 1 by going up and over the stupid screw that causes the dent. The dent literally takes up half the runner for cylinder 1, so it's pretty bad. I will post pics soon. I am trying a few things to make the part clean and look pleasing to the eye. I don't want to make any promises as when stage 1 will be out, but Nafoo can confirm that it will fit, just be ready get out the allen wrenches. I have a few weeks to put into this because my tuner is out of town, so I have no EB truck to work on, and I plan on getting this knocked out. Looking at even becoming a vendor soon too.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mat Morkin Click here to enlarge
    Hey guys, new intake manifold design coming very soon. Nafoo and I spent some time looking it over last Sunday. I have managed to eliminate all of the dent in cylinder 1 by going up and over the stupid screw that causes the dent. The dent literally takes up half the runner for cylinder 1, so it's pretty bad. I will post pics soon. I am trying a few things to make the part clean and look pleasing to the eye. I don't want to make any promises as when stage 1 will be out, but Nafoo can confirm that it will fit, just be ready to get out the allen wrenches. I have a few weeks to put into this because my tuner is out of town, so I have no EB truck to work on, and I plan on getting this knocked out. Looking at even becoming a vendor soon too.
    I am now a pro at removing my intake manifold Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    I am now a pro at removing my intake manifold Click here to enlarge
    Hell yaz!

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    Any more information on this new manifold? Is there room for a tapered log style with internal VSs and short ass runners? You would need to modify the charge piping...

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    the runners are longer. They have to be to get up and over the bolt on the oil filter housing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mat Morkin Click here to enlarge
    the runners are longer. They have to be to get up and over the bolt on the oil filter housing.
    I assume you made all of the runners longer? Is the charge pipe in the same place? Any more info you want to give out Click here to enlarge

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    I am going to post a whole thread tonight or tomorrow with pics and all that. But the stock charge pipe will fit, I might have to include a coupler or adapter to make it fit, but this is made to work with everything you already have...as long as you air filters are cone filters.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    Has nothing to do with meth. Happens on e85 or pump gas only too.
    I don't think I was talking to or referring to your post in my reply that you quoted. I was just making a general statement when it comes to meth traveling down charge piping and through the runners.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    And I have logs that correct 3 degrees on cylinder 1 with the other 5 dead quiet as well, only when throttle angle is below 80-81 which was a quirk of race code (along with other issues). The flatline/major correction has absolutely nothing to do with manifold design and everything to do with perceived torque within the tcu. Please forward me these logs btw when you have a chance.

    And again its not unique to my car and everything to do with the fact you aren't tuning with all available tables within the DME.
    LOL Not sure which way to even begin to respond to this nonsense anymore haha You have the logs you're looking for from your own car. I don't see value in arguing the obvious so let's agree to disagree and move on?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Honestly this guy just likes to argue. It was pretty pretty pretty obvious he referred to meth as it is the only liquid fuel (atomized or not) that is actually traveling through the intake manifold at this point. But hey forget what he was saying just make a post disputing it anyways.
    We are discussing an issue that your stage2/3 customers will inevitably run into on a 6AT. Considering you are tuning your stage 3 setup on a 6MT, you haven't seen the issues relating to it. I don't have an axe to grind with you, but perhaps you should take a step back and digest what is being stated instead of making personal attacks on someone discussing something you will run into.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    LOL Not sure which way to even begin to respond to this nonsense anymore haha You have the logs you're looking for from your own car. I don't see value in arguing the obvious so let's agree to disagree and move on?
    OK, so how about you tune all 6ATs on race code with throttle angle at 75-77 degrees (which you found by accident no less) instead of the normal 80-81 and call that your fix riding the load limit in the powerband? As you confirmed previously, these issues are not related to MY car specifically and you know this.

    But yes, let's agree to disagree and move on.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I don't think I was talking to or referring to your post in my reply that you quoted. I was just making a general statement when it comes to meth traveling down charge piping and through the runners.
    Actually, we were discussing a major cylinder 1 correction on benzy89's log, and all of a sudden you're speaking of meth flow due to an intake mani design issue on cyl 1. So yeah, in context, it is all related.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    Actually, we were discussing a major cylinder 1 correction on benzy89's log, and all of a sudden you're speaking of meth flow due to an intake mani design issue on cyl 1. So yeah, in context, it is all related.
    Thinking it might be an injector related issue, which wouldn't be a surprise since I have the original 6 still in the car (June '08 production). I'm going to log it a couple more times & see if the issue remains (confirms the injector problem) or if it goes away (then an isolated Cylinder 1 problem).
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge

    Thinking it might be an injector related issue, which wouldn't be a surprise since I have the original 6 still in the car (June '08 production). I'm going to log it a couple more times & see if the issue remains (confirms the injector problem) or if it goes away (then an isolated Cylinder 1 problem).
    I have hundreds of logs trying to diagnose this problem, trust me, it's not your injector. Still on my original set of 6 injectors too (01/09 prod).

    The only way I corrected the problem is to stack the JB4 ISO.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    The only way I corrected the problem is to stack the JB4 ISO.
    This points the problem to "bad tuning", I think. If you have major timing corrections after shifting, you must make sure that the timing is right for that load (loads after 6MT shifting are quite low, like 80-90 when shifting close to redline) and also you must make sure that the boost spike after shift is as small as possible (I corrected this by altering the D-Factor Multiplier table in ATR - but only after the WGDC Base table is spot-on). Once I did this, I had no bog, no flatlines whatsoever.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    I have hundreds of logs trying to diagnose this problem, trust me, it's not your injector. Still on my original set of 6 injectors too (01/09 prod).

    The only way I corrected the problem is to stack the JB4 ISO.
    So what's the issue then? You're all set, on 1 cylinder Click here to enlarge
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