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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    This is interesting... however, I'm afraid this is something that will receive a HEAVY BMW tax.
    Oh yeah, the price won;t be what we're used to...

    When are you installing your new toys dude Click here to enlarge?
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    Also curious about what kind of gains these would give?
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    even if the specs aren't for public consumption

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    'we are testing these for future release' woudl be AWESOME.. so i can add another expensive item to the 'to buy' list when dynos are done in the future Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by marv85 Click here to enlarge
    Oh yeah, the price won;t be what we're used to...

    When are you installing your new toys dude Click here to enlarge?
    Well, I'm not 100% sure on the date yet. At the longest it will be 3 weeks, which isn't too bad considering they won't arrive until the middle of next week. However, I have next Friday off from work... so I might just have to man the $#@! up and do it myself lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Well, I'm not 100% sure on the date yet. At the longest it will be 3 weeks, which isn't too bad considering they won't arrive until the middle of next week. However, I have next Friday off from work... so I might just have to man the $#@! up and do it myself lol
    I expect them to be on saturday Click here to enlarge




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    This Sport hollow steel camshaft were tested in a PAW shop automobile 2008 135i in 2011. There was a starting gains of aprox. 5-7% across the powerband gains on a stock engine w/improved throttle response in the rpm before any VANOS adjustments & driveability was great.

    But, due to a unknown crazy sporratic misfire caused under certain days during high engine load, it was month's later that was discovered by a faulty turbo wastegate along wrong injector coding. Testing was held off for other platform test.

    Now, that's fixed & some available options for turbos are out a revisit it's in the minds, as our current tune will get down to 11.7's for sure in Buraq 335is DCT.
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    5-7% sounds pretty good but I wonder how much these would cost??
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
    This Sport hollow steel camshaft were tested in a PAW shop automobile 2008 135i in 2011. There was a starting gains of aprox. 5-7% across the powerband gains on a stock engine w/improved throttle response in the rpm before any VANOS adjustments & driveability was great.

    But, due to a unknown crazy sporratic misfire caused under certain days during high engine load, it was month's later that was discovered by a faulty turbo wastegate along wrong injector coding. Testing was held off for other platform test.

    Now, that's fixed & some available options for turbos are out a revisit it's in the minds, as our current tune will get down to 11.7's for sure in Buraq 335is DCT.
    so stage 2 or bigger turbos, there should be some meaty gains up top/mid?

    and hollow you say? Click here to enlarge

    yet another awesome thing for N54's hopefully to happen in 2013

    a schrick goes for $1500ish a set, so i'm guessing somewhere around there?.. if they're the same quality at least

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    wow thats 10-20whp across the board PLUS throttle response with NO vanos tuning on a STOCK engine!? sounds VERY promising with upgraded turbos...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by wtfmateim65 Click here to enlarge
    wow thats 10-20whp across the board PLUS throttle response with NO vanos tuning on a STOCK engine!? sounds VERY promising with upgraded turbos...
    And a tune to take further advantage... How much more could we squeeze out with a like minded tune?
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    Considering the stock N54 camshaft is forged, how does yours compare strengthwise? What are the downsides (if there are any) to the power gains?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Considering the stock N54 camshaft is forged, how does yours compare strengthwise? What are the downsides (if there are any) to the power gains?
    Negligible. Aftermarket cams are usually made from billet steel blanks...no need to be concerned.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Considering the stock N54 camshaft is forged, how does yours compare strengthwise? What are the downsides (if there are any) to the power gains?
    are they really forged? what a strange thing to have forged :/

    kinda strange they didn't go flow formed like the N52 cams

    as above though, strength won't be a concern, as long as they're nice and light too would be more the worry Click here to enlarge

    downsides? it depends on their specs, too aggressive? slightly rough to rough idle, or higher idle. not really downsides lol. just 'features' Click here to enlarge.. considering they say gains throughout the range, they won't be super aggressive, often when you go BIG cams, you'll see losses down low then MASSIVE gains up top.

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    Sub'd for more info. Very interested.
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    any exhaust clips with these installed?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    downsides? it depends on their specs, too aggressive? slightly rough to rough idle, or higher idle. not really downsides lol. just 'features' Click here to enlarge.. considering they say gains throughout the range, they won't be super aggressive, often when you go BIG cams, you'll see losses down low then MASSIVE gains up top.
    If it does cause some rough idle the VANOS tables can always be tweaked to help smooth is out... of course, some people like a rough idle Click here to enlarge

    In all reality these things shouldn't cost more than about $450 a piece.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    kinda strange they didn't go flow formed like the N52 cams
    N52 top end is a bit different with Valvetronic.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    In all reality these things shouldn't cost more than about $450 a piece.
    Oh BMW owners and their thoughts on what aftermarket products should cost are always amusing.

    We have, oh, how many cam options on the market versus an LSX or Mustang V8?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Oh BMW owners and their thoughts on what aftermarket products should cost are always amusing.

    We have, oh, how many cam options on the market versus an LSX or Mustang V8?
    booo.

    You can buy downpipes or a tune for ~$450, I would hope these are around there...

    (wishful thinking)
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ammonia Click here to enlarge
    You can buy downpipes or a tune for ~$450, I would hope these are around there...

    (wishful thinking)
    The physical part and testing isn't even the hardest part. Tuners who honestly can tune VANOS on modern BMW's are hard to fine.

    But, it's not just materials and testing it also is the limited market. Less guys are going to buy N54 camshafts versus and LS camshaft, you know what I mean?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Oh BMW owners and their thoughts on what aftermarket products should cost are always amusing.

    We have, oh, how many cam options on the market versus an LSX or Mustang V8?
    Neither cam blanks or the machining process for cams are that expensive. R&D isn't very hard either if you have a long block, dial indicator, degree wheel and some experience with cam timing in FI engines.

    The fact is BMW engines aren't magic(especially when it's not even valvetronic) and they shouldn't be priced like they are.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    R&D isn't very hard either if you have a long block, dial indicator, degree wheel and some experience with cam timing in FI engines.
    So when are your cams coming out?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    The fact is BMW engines aren't magic(especially when it's not even valvetronic) and they shouldn't be priced like they are.
    It's an engine and not made out of special Ultimate Driving Machine pixie dust but they are WAY more complex to tune and build than other motors due to how they are engineered and the electronics. Ask me how I know.

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    Why is tuning and building parts for these motors always so much easier in text on forums than in practice? We have geniuses here who should be running big BMW tuning companies.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    So when are your cams coming out?
    Touche.
    However, my opinion still is that if these cams ever come to market and it's more than $1K for a pair it's too much.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rader1 Click here to enlarge
    Touche.
    However, my opinion still is that if these cams ever come to market and it's more than $1K for a pair it's too much.
    My opinion is that they are worth whatever the market pays for them.

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