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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
    Lol, just a $15k blower eh? 500whp can be had with $2500 modded stockers and some bolt-ons.
    Try to keep up with M3 blower pricing. Inflating the price to try to make your argument is just kind of lame.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    higher ceiling? well, sure theoretically, it can rev higher (from the factory) and has an extra 1.0L to it

    a 500whp N54 costs many thousands less than a bone stock M3, 'just a blower' for the S65 is close to $10k alone?.. pretty sure a 'stage 2/RB' style turbo is easy, well, it is in my books lol. $5k odd including FBO and a tune on top of purchase price.

    if we're talking about 'practical' ceilings, either car will be impractical when you reach any realistically achievable power limits, 1000whp on an M3 will have a SLIGHTLY smoother torque/power curve 'in theory' than a 900-1000whp twin 2867 N54... but either one is far beyond 'sensible', both will melt rubber at the drop of a hat, and either one would probably cost a similar amount to achieve (depending how strong the internals on the N54 are, and if the fuel system can affordably be upgraded that is), except the turbo system needed for the n54 is pretty reasonably priced compared to what needs to be done to an M3 if we're talking pure undrivable dyno-queen values.
    Blah blah blah cost cost blah blah

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
    So many wasted pages full of super boring M3 talk...isn't this the N54 forum ?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    performance only?

    ok not counting labour (8-16 hours?), $500 front control arms, $300 front sway bar, $1000-1500~ rear every link + smallish cost in M3 style rear shock chassis, $300 again in rear sway bar, ~$500 for a used rear subframe with bushes
    $1200+install (bundled with other stuff) for LSD (a 130i owner over here in australia is testing out a kaaz 1.5 way in a few days to see if it fits, just as a random aside) - so $4.5-$5k all up there. brakes are done on both m3 and N54 cars, same with wheels/tires, same with coilovers. ED: oh and like $400ish M3 front strut brace.

    500 RB's, E85? E85 flex is a reasonable fuel for every day depending on where you life.
    no, not just performance, you have to consider every extra the M has over an N54 because you get it with the M. Seats and all. You can "bundle" all you want, but your looking at 4k in suspension installed. Another 2 in interior extras.. Oh, now your talking about extra fuel system...? Ok, that's cheap I suppose.. Oh, unless you don't have e85, like the majority of people... Now, how's that transmission upgrade coming...? Seems like that price gap is getting smaller and s,aller the more accurate you get with the details of actual ownership

    upgraded brakes now too...? Who did that. Oh, that's right, the n54 cars have to. So, basically for the same price after all things considered, you can spend 10k and have a "500hp" n54 but consists of upgrading a majority of components and completely dependent on fuel available. Or 9k on an M3 by adding a blower and exhaust..
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    +1 on the 180deg headers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    no, not just performance, you have to consider every extra the M has over an N54 because you get it with the M. Seats and all. You can "bundle" all you want, but your looking at 4k in suspension installed. Another 2 in interior extras.. Oh, now your talking about extra fuel system...? Ok, that's cheap I suppose.. Oh, unless you don't have e85, like the majority of people... Now, how's that transmission upgrade coming...? Seems like that price gap is getting smaller and s,aller the more accurate you get with the details of actual ownership

    upgraded brakes now too...? Who did that. Oh, that's right, the n54 cars have to. So, basically for the same price after all things considered, you can spend 10k and have a "500hp" n54 but consists of upgrading a majority of components and completely dependent on fuel available. Or 9k on an M3 by adding a blower and exhaust..
    Are the seats different? I know there's some different stiching and all, but I couldn't tell for sure if my sports seats were the same as the m's. I've always wondered that.

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    I'll be seeing a couple of these superduper S65s once my big lungs are on LOL end of story whooosh whoooooosh
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blaizon Click here to enlarge
    Are the seats different? I know there's some different stiching and all, but I couldn't tell for sure if my sports seats were the same as the m's. I've always wondered that.
    They're def different --- Much deeper with all the bolstering to make sure you're not sliding around during aggressive turns. AND even if you upgrade everything in a 135/335 to M3 component levels, it will never feel as grounded or responsive to driver input as the M3 (you'll never be able to add bolt-ons that really stiffen up the chassis).
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    They're def different --- Much deeper with all the bolstering to make sure you're not sliding around during aggressive turns. AND even if you upgrade everything in a 135/335 to M3 component levels, it will never feel as grounded or responsive to driver input as the M3 (you'll never be able to add bolt-ons that really stiffen up the chassis).
    Obviously, but its cheaper..

    A 335 will never be a M3, but it will also never cost as much.

    And you get to choose how much you want to spend.

    Enough with the M3 talk that was a stupid thing to bring up like 6 pages ago.. Lets get back to turbo N54 talk




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    They're def different --- Much deeper with all the bolstering to make sure you're not sliding around during aggressive turns. AND even if you upgrade everything in a 135/335 to M3 component levels, it will never feel as grounded or responsive to driver input as the M3 (you'll never be able to add bolt-ons that really stiffen up the chassis).
    e90 is a lot stiffer than e46 and e92 is even stiffer than e90 albeit not much. e9x M3 chassis being stiffer than non-M is an urban legend only.

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    Im complete opposite of Seth, he's a great forum member and has all my respect, but I think if people are going to ignorantly, and continuously attack your company and or products, you should re-act any way you so choose, and I personally like that you will tell people to go f*** off. Shows that you have your opinions and you believe in what you do.

    You're not in the business to please everyone or be a PR guy, You can be if you want to, and it will probably help your business, thats YOUR choice, But again, N54's isn't your "business" (from what i understand) this is a side project from your actual company.

    Seth again, I respect your opinions and I think you're right here, but I feel that being a chicken sh*t to people that will never buy your product, and if they do, they know where you stand.

    Same with the way I feel with Shiv and Terry.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    Pretty sure LM and Rob beck have already been black listed from buying stage 3s. Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    no, not just performance, you have to consider every extra the M has over an N54 because you get it with the M. Seats and all. You can "bundle" all you want, but your looking at 4k in suspension installed. Another 2 in interior extras.. Oh, now your talking about extra fuel system...? Ok, that's cheap I suppose.. Oh, unless you don't have e85, like the majority of people... Now, how's that transmission upgrade coming...? Seems like that price gap is getting smaller and s,aller the more accurate you get with the details of actual ownership

    upgraded brakes now too...? Who did that. Oh, that's right, the n54 cars have to. So, basically for the same price after all things considered, you can spend 10k and have a "500hp" n54 but consists of upgrading a majority of components and completely dependent on fuel available. Or 9k on an M3 by adding a blower and exhaust..
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Im complete opposite of Seth, he's a great forum member and has all my respect, but I think if people are going to ignorantly, and continuously attack your company and or products, you should re-act any way you so choose, and I personally like that you will tell people to go f*** off. Shows that you have your opinions and you believe in what you do.

    You're not in the business to please everyone or be a PR guy, You can be if you want to, and it will probably help your business, thats YOUR choice, But again, N54's isn't your "business" (from what i understand) this is a side project from your actual company.

    Seth again, I respect your opinions and I think you're right here, but I feel that being a chicken sh*t to people that will never buy your product, and if they do, they know where you stand.

    Same with the way I feel with Shiv and Terry.

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    Nobody said anything about being a chicken $#@! or letting people walk all over you. In business there is a certain way to handle things... this is a great example on how to NOT handle them properly. I believe the record should be set straight and if people are presenting false info about your products, you certainly should correct them to protect the integrity of your business and products. However the manner in which you do so will be the great equalizer of how people perceive you and your company and I think Vargas just shot themselves in the foot here.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by seth Click here to enlarge
    Ya know I need to semi agree with Ocean here.................................... And whether you play it off like you don't care, it's just foolish in general to leave money on the table like that. Just my $.02 but again I'm just a lowly E46 non major player who talks too much so I will just go sit in the corner and eat my popcorn.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory Click here to enlarge
    Possibly Vargas is seeing the difference between people with genuine misconceptions or confusion about his products & those few who acting as provocateurs for the competition. Click here to enlarge
    Even so, not giving in to the childish fight will allow people who are simply observing and are potential customers to see you operate your business a certain way and not turn them off before they become actual customers. Thats all I am really saying. If people are trolling, let the vets of the site and also the admin deal with that. A couple of neg reps will hide the really bad comments anyway.

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    I actually love it when trolls get told to shove it up their ass. I respect that a lot more than they guys that don't have the balls to tell it like it is because they may lose a couple sales.
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    Judging from the response to this thread it'll likely be more than a couple but whatever, not my problem I guess so I'll just bow out and mind my own business.

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    A number of them have very low post counts nothing stopping them from opening another account. Sometimes one persons view of childish is another's view of someone willing to standing up for themselves. Nothing wrong with a little passion about what you believe in, the "lets get along society" is turning us into a bunch of wusses.
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    Rader, when are your turbos going in?
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    If you can't take it, don't dish it out.....if the customers or potential customers are being praised for sharing their opinions (good or bad) then why can't vendors? It goes both ways...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jpsimon Click here to enlarge
    Rader, when are your turbos going in?
    It was going to be this morning. However, after 3 hours i decided "$#@! that" so i'm taking it to an indy shop to do it. I'm working with them to get it in ASAP.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    Agree, best is to buy a M3 and then drop in a N54 Click here to enlarge
    It's called a 1M.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    no, not just performance, you have to consider every extra the M has over an N54 because you get it with the M. Seats and all. You can "bundle" all you want, but your looking at 4k in suspension installed. Another 2 in interior extras.. Oh, now your talking about extra fuel system...? Ok, that's cheap I suppose.. Oh, unless you don't have e85, like the majority of people... Now, how's that transmission upgrade coming...? Seems like that price gap is getting smaller and s,aller the more accurate you get with the details of actual ownership

    upgraded brakes now too...? Who did that. Oh, that's right, the n54 cars have to. So, basically for the same price after all things considered, you can spend 10k and have a "500hp" n54 but consists of upgrading a majority of components and completely dependent on fuel available. Or 9k on an M3 by adding a blower and exhaust..
    You should know the M3 brakes are just as $#@!ty as the 335i brakes. You don't see any M3s at racetracks without BBKs. For a good reason.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by seth Click here to enlarge
    Even so, not giving in to the childish fight will allow people who are simply observing and are potential customers to see you operate your business a certain way and not turn them off before they become actual customers.
    +1

    I don’t often get a chance to know the folks behind many of my purchases, but when I do, the person selling/making the product can have as much weight as their product quality. This is especially true if the competing products have arguably similar levels of quality and results. If it’s likely that both products will give me similar results without me knowing, I will turn to the person selling it.

    The interactions I have seen on these forums from some tuners makes me never want to buy their products. While there are others that make me glad I did, for example, rob formally with cobb. He’s an example of someone that was able to tactfully reply to less than mature antics without himself dropping to their level.

    This might be a personal thing, as I am both the sales man and the consultant for the services my firm offers. From time to time, I deal with less than ideal clients that I would like to tell to $#@! off. That being said, I represent more than myself but my entire firm. It’s a challenge, but I can still stand up for my team and myself, without becoming like my clients.

    Just my $.02

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