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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    It made no change on my end. Normally 7 degrees post shift. Every now and again I get 10 degrees randomly but it's not repeatable. Since the trans flash I've only seen 7 degrees. I have not tried it without the BMS flash in place though.

    On your car you can just load "Stage0" and then the normal JB4 map you use. Chuck's car would be the ultimate test for it.

    On Cobb only do the "custom tuned" maps still exhibit the automatic trans timing flatline? e.g. dropping negative or low post shift for a few hundred RPM after the shift?
    The Alpina TCU flash indeed resolves the issue with the torque limit that was affecting 6AT cars going into 5th or going WOT in 5th gear. If you remove the JB4 and run Cobb on its own so you can log everything with the Accessport and log the Torque Limit Active channel you'll see normally its at zero. Going into 5th it used to go from 0 to 4 which indicates a torque limit condition. When this happens the DME's target timing goes below zero. This is the so called 5th gear flatline. ​THIS is what was entirely fixed with the Alpina TCU flash and the torque limit active now stays at 0 going into 5th on the same exact tune.

    Post shift timing corrections are separate but it does seem things got better on @benzy89 's car after the Alpina TCU flash as well for whatever reason (i.e. only -3.x timing corrections post shift instead of -6.x or -8.x or even -10.x degrees that i've seen on some cars in the past). This is a separate topic though from the 5th gear flatline.
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    Oh, no that is not the flatline. That sounds like some other issue. When we say flatline we mean the post shift timing drop that is not due to knock. It can happen in any gear but is most apparent on 3-4 normally. Find some new name for your 5th gear timing condition. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Oh, no that is not the flatline. That sounds like some other issue. When we say flatline we mean the post shift timing drop that is not due to knock. It can happen in any gear but is most apparent on 3-4 normally. Find some new name for your 5th gear timing condition. Click here to enlarge
    Nope, this is it, ask Ben. You just haven't seen it as JB4 is making you blind to all the wonderful DME's logging capabilities Click here to enlarge heh there's post shift timing corrections and then there's 5th gear flatline...

    OH, I think I know which you're talking about. That can be tuned out though...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Oh, no that is not the flatline. That sounds like some other issue. When we say flatline we mean the post shift timing drop that is not due to knock. It can happen in any gear but is most apparent on 3-4 normally. Find some new name for your 5th gear timing condition. Click here to enlarge
    This flash seems to work, but I dont understand why every word out of your mouth mentions "hacked" version from various other forums mainly yours......Whatever the case maybe it fixes the issues whether its hacked or not. It helped the community address issues that have plagued this platform for years. Now all of a sudden your new flash is the "unhacked" version of all fixes?? Give credit where credit is do as this seems a viable solution whether is a "hacked version" or what not...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
    This flash seems to work, but I dont understand why every word out of your mouth mentions "hacked" version from various other forums mainly yours......Whatever the case maybe it fixes the issues whether its hacked or not. It helped the community address issues that have plagued this platform for years. Now all of a sudden your new flash is the "unhacked" version of all fixes?? Give credit where credit is do as this seems a viable solution whether is a "hacked version" or what not...
    Amen -- Progress is progress, and regardless of what tune you choose to run, this Alpina TCM flash has improved every 6AT car. That's not a disputable fact, it's the truth. Maybe in time, someone can reprogram/modify the Alpina TCM software into something more suitable to power levels being generated on all turbo levels: stockers, RBs, Vargas Stage 1-3 and even the Single Turbos.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
    Did some searching and found SIB# (SI B24 11 06) from October-06 for E92; N54 with 6HP19 - Diagnosis for EGS FC 511B

    I called a buddy at the dealership to see if he can pull up something, so hopefully he can find the EGS Fault Code 511B information to put this to rest. He also said if it's not showing up on my dash not to worry about it.

    Hey @enrita do you think you can find someone with a B5 that will let you get the transmission assembly number? I have a 535xi that would like to upgarde trans code, but without knowing it's pointless to try on the e60.
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    So far only one confirmed report of a botched attempt. 2010 535 Xi down for the count. Not sure if B5 software would work, but hope Enrita brings good news.
    unfortunately i dont know anybody with the B5
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    Just out of curiousity, is this TCU software update for the N54 AT sold by Alpina separately?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
    Did some searching and found SIB# (SI B24 11 06) from October-06 for E92; N54 with 6HP19 - Diagnosis for EGS FC 511B

    I called a buddy at the dealership to see if he can pull up something, so hopefully he can find the EGS Fault Code 511B information to put this to rest. He also said if it's not showing up on my dash not to worry about it.

    Hey @enrita do you think you can find someone with a B5 that will let you get the transmission assembly number? I have a 535xi that would like to upgarde trans code, but without knowing it's pointless to try on the e60.
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    Just out of curiousity, is this TCU software update for the N54 AT sold by Alpina separately?
    sorry dont know anybody with a B5
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Just out of curiousity, is this TCU software update for the N54 AT sold by Alpina separately?
    None of the Alpina B3 parts are sold separetely if you dont own one.
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    Automatic Transmission 24 08 03 November-04 E60 EGS Fault 4F6A
    Automatic Transmission 24 02 05 April-06 E60 Service Action: Replace Mechatronic Adapter (Supercedes May 05
    Automatic Transmission 24 03 05 February-07 E60/E63 Harsh 2-1 Downshift (Replaces 6/05)
    Automatic Transmission 24 06 05 November-05 E60/E63 Safety Recall Campaign 05V-504: Parking Lock Guide Plate
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    Automatic Transmission 24 06 06 October-06 E90 A Slight Bump is Felt Shortly after the Vehicle Comes to a Stop (Supercedes Aug 06)
    Automatic Transmission 24 11 06 October-06 E92 E92; N54 with 6HP16 - Diagnosis for EGS FC 511B----------------------------------------------------------LOOK at this one!!
    Automatic Transmission 24 04 07 April-07 E90/E91/E92 ZF 6HP19TU in Failsafe Mode with Fault 4F8D Stored
    Automatic Transmission 24 09 07 April-07 E90/E91/E92 The Service Engine Soon Light is on and EGS Fault CF1C Stored
    Automatic Transmission 24 10 07 April-07 E60/3 Series The Transmission is in "Failsafe" mode with EGS Fault CF33 Stored
    Automatic Transmission 24 11 07 April-07 3 Series GM6 - 6L46R Transmission Adaptations and Terminology (info only)




    So it looks as though this specific SIB that I listed above is the one that @Wedge1967 found, and the other one from the previous page confirms that MSD80 has the issue with 511B with a faulty diagnostic testing. Data from newer build that have flashed their cars and dont have this 511B code would lead me to believe it was addressed with MSD81...Great news on the homefront for this flash. Every concern about this flash has been addressed with fixes and answers. Thanks to Wedge1967 for his relentless persuit of the unknown!!!! LOL

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    perfect! great work guys! all is here than and available.
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    @Wedge1967 great job on figuring out there was an SIB that dealt with this code. What made you think to look at the SIBs?

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    Just a thought on the Alpina flash keeping revs lower in D1. Does the Alpina use a shorter rear end gear?
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    Alpina B3S
    Transmission ZF 6-speed Sport-Automatic 6HP19 TÜ SWITCH-TRONIC
    1st 4.17
    2nd 2.34
    3rd 1.52
    4th 1.14
    5th 0.87
    6th 0.69
    Final drive ratio 3.46

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    3rd : 1.520
    4th : 1.140
    5th : 0.870
    6th : 0.690
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    Nevermind, seems like the exact same gearing, including the diff.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ajm8127 Click here to enlarge
    @Wedge1967 great job on figuring out there was an SIB that dealt with this code. What made you think to look at the SIBs?
    Someone mentioned it earlier that there was an SIB on it. Only thing we couldn't find the exact document to see what it stated. Wedge found it and posted it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Xearom3 Click here to enlarge
    Just a thought on the Alpina flash keeping revs lower in D1. Does the Alpina use a shorter rear end gear?
    My 2 cents just believes the regular "D" programming is focused on giving best MPG. Kick it in DSport or Manual and it'll hold the gears and let you run the RPMs into redline. In any of the modes, the shifts are butter smooth + lightning quick (the downshifts are the most noticeable)
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    I personally like the D mode with the flash. Car seems very happy and as torque builds it smoothly kids down and pulls until it drops torque and shifts back. My wife will actually enjoy riding in my car now which she never did in the past. But like @benzy89 said, if you don't want it shifting as quickly, kick it into Sport.

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    The new D mode is probably OK for torque happy factory turbos. Larger turbos not ideal. Small price to pay, though, for the faster shifts. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    My 2 cents just believes the regular "D" programming is focused on giving best MPG. Kick it in DSport or Manual and it'll hold the gears and let you run the RPMs into redline. In any of the modes, the shifts are butter smooth + lightning quick (the downshifts are the most noticeable)
    Will it still up shift automatically in manual mode when you hit the rev limiter or will it just keep bouncing of the limiter until you shift?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by harry Click here to enlarge
    Will it still up shift automatically in manual mode when you hit the rev limiter or will it just keep bouncing of the limiter until you shift?
    In DS it should automatically shift up at 6,800 RPMs , in Manual Drive it'll require you to shift -- If you're on stockers though the ideal shift point is actually closer to 6,200 RPMs
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    In DS it should automatically shift up at 6,800 RPMs , in Manual Drive it'll require you to shift -- If you're on stockers though the ideal shift point is actually closer to 6,200 RPMs
    So does it bounce at redline? In m mode it shifts anyway at redline on oem sw
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    So does it bounce at redline? In m mode it shifts anyway at redline on oem sw
    Then I might be wrong. I avoid letting the RPMs pass 6,500 RPMs so I can't personally confirm
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    The new D mode is probably OK for torque happy factory turbos. Larger turbos not ideal. Small price to pay, though, for the faster shifts. Click here to enlarge
    We are speaking of D mode here!!!! Heck everytime I am in that mode I rarely go on boost. I don't think larger turbos would be an issue either. If you looking for boost go S mode or M. Anyone looking for D to be torquey has some issues and those people should not even tune or mod their cars IMO
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Cn555ic Click here to enlarge
    We are speaking of D mode here!!!! Heck everytime I am in that mode I rarely go on boost. I don't think larger turbos would be an issue either. If you looking for boost go S mode or M. Anyone looking for D to be torquey has some issues and those people should not even tune or mod their cars IMO
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