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    He was using 1st gear launches while I was using 2nd gear launches.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    I kinda agree with DZ… Shiv has the only “reliable” large turbo upgrade kit currently. Customer spending $X, doesn’t want to worry about the engine…. Blown motor would be negative marketing… even though many of us enthusiasts would not think so. When the time is right he’ll bump it up: timing, boost, rev limit… I hope anyway. The RB cars took awhile matching/beating LMs trap record cause the tuning, conditions, setup, driving skill all have to be right. And these are experienced racers with a goal: Oldbooster, Terry, DZ. ST passes 125 on a somewhat conservative tune without much effort. The power potential is there. Plus track rules are a hindrance… last time I was at the track, GTR had to leave for barely breaking 11.5 with 121 trap… depends on how strict they are I guess. Instead of letting off in 4th, role and sit for a sec would be my preference, but guys hit the track to race, launch.

    Speaking of RBs doing 129mph… which is great! What’s the specifics in setups between Terry and OldBooster… the back halfs were very different by 4mph IIRC.
    i must be missing the "reliable" part... i've heard of missfires and tranny issues as well as sold cars... otherwise; just very underwhelming 1/4 passes
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Yes, you arre correct. That applies not only to stock 335i, but to the typical tuned ones that you mentioned as well.

    His 4.22s 60-130MPH would imply though, that adding awd would not cause his car to fall on it's face in 4th Click here to enlarge The awd traction is most likely needed for getting into 3's.
    I'm not sure what we're talking about, I was talking about the 335xi but it sounds like you're talking about another platform Click here to enlarge

    4.22s 60-130 is amazing, but I highly doubt we'll see a 335i or 335xi near that time for quite some time. Falling on it's face in 4th gear is specifically related to 335xi, not AWD in general. Sorry I wasn't clear Click here to enlarge

    Who are you talking about that hit 4.22s 60-130? That is a great time...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    Just so we understand each other, Last time I checked, Mahle supplied all BMW pistons. For Turbo Direct injection, mahle supplies Forged alluminum alloy pistons. I pointed this out in a very old thread on here, and dispite this, the general consensus was overwhelmingly in favor of the oem pistons being cast, not forged. Cast what, they didn't say, but folks on here insist it's cast. Again, just so we're clear here, you want Vishnu to push 800rwhp on "cast" pistons, right?
    No I'm not talking about piston design. I'm saying if the tuning is sound (i.e. there's no knock, fuel is there, boost control is sound) why stop at 26psi? One way I could answer my own question is they've planned for two staged kits for now, the VFF600 and the VFF700, and this is the way they've made these turn-key "packages" and that's that.

    However, that's not to say more isn't available or possible or that different (i.e. more aggressive) tuning strategies couldn't be applied with the same kit obviously when not running a turn-key solution that includes their tuning. I guess what I'm looking for is something outside the turn-key packages and more along the lines of let's see what this thing can do on the stock motor. In other words R&D data on stock motor limitations which they may or may not want to us to have at this time for their own reasons and understandably so.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    No I'm not talking about piston design. I'm saying if the tuning is sound (i.e. there's no knock, fuel is there, boost control is sound) why stop at 26psi? One way I could answer my own question is they've planned for two staged kits for now, the VFF600 and the VFF700, and this is the way they've made these turn-key "packages" and that's that.

    However, that's not to say more isn't available or possible or that different (i.e. more aggressive) tuning strategies couldn't be applied with the same kit obviously when not running a turn-key solution that includes their tuning. I guess what I'm looking for is something outside the turn-key packages and more along the lines of let's see what this thing can do on the stock motor. In other words R&D data on stock motor limitations which they may or may not want to us to have at this time for their own reasons and understandably so.
    You will never get that from shiv ( I don't believe, hopefully he can prove us wrong)




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    No I'm not talking about piston design. I'm saying if the tuning is sound (i.e. there's no knock, fuel is there, boost control is sound) why stop at 26psi? One way I could answer my own question is they've planned for two staged kits for now, the VFF600 and the VFF700, and this is the way they've made these turn-key "packages" and that's that.

    However, that's not to say more isn't available or possible or that different (i.e. more aggressive) tuning strategies couldn't be applied with the same kit obviously when not running a turn-key solution that includes their tuning. I guess what I'm looking for is something outside the turn-key packages and more along the lines of let's see what this thing can do on the stock motor. In other words R&D data on stock motor limitations which they may or may not want to us to have at this time for their own reasons and understandably so.
    Let me rephrase my question to you: Do you think the N54 stock pistons are cast, or forged.?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    Let me rephrase my question to you: Do you think the N54 stock pistons are cast, or forged.?
    I saw one from a 2008 or 2009 model and it was definitely a cast piston. Someone mentioned a rumor once that earlier models may have had forged pistons but I've never seen any evidence of it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I saw one from a 2008 or 2009 model and it was definitely a cast piston. Someone mentioned a rumor once that earlier models may have had forged pistons but I've never seen any evidence of it.
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.
    I'm not a metallurgist so don't take my word as any authority on the subject, but I've handled plenty of pistons and could see and feel the cast ridges under it. I would assume it's hypereutectic.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    No I'm not talking about piston design. I'm saying if the tuning is sound (i.e. there's no knock, fuel is there, boost control is sound) why stop at 26psi? One way I could answer my own question is they've planned for two staged kits for now, the VFF600 and the VFF700, and this is the way they've made these turn-key "packages" and that's that.

    However, that's not to say more isn't available or possible or that different (i.e. more aggressive) tuning strategies couldn't be applied with the same kit obviously when not running a turn-key solution that includes their tuning. I guess what I'm looking for is something outside the turn-key packages and more along the lines of let's see what this thing can do on the stock motor. In other words R&D data on stock motor limitations which they may or may not want to us to have at this time for their own reasons and understandably so.
    i will not pretend to be an expert... frankly I have no idea what I am talking about so take this with a grain of salt;


    but... with the current state of the fueling setup of the n54... you are not making any more power than what they are bo matter what happens... tunning gallons of meth is the only answer at the moment... unless someone runs a secondary rail of port injectors or creates a complete fuel pump upgrade a'la the mazdaspeed3 hpfp disi upgrade; you are completely capped.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amclint Click here to enlarge
    I'm not sure what we're talking about, I was talking about the 335xi but it sounds like you're talking about another platform Click here to enlarge

    4.22s 60-130 is amazing, but I highly doubt we'll see a 335i or 335xi near that time for quite some time. Falling on it's face in 4th gear is specifically related to 335xi, not AWD in general. Sorry I wasn't clear Click here to enlarge

    Who are you talking about that hit 4.22s 60-130? That is a great time...
    You quoted Mert about awd, traction and weight a few posts above. He seems to be building awd system for his car. I believe it is an inline-6 Bmw. I was thinking about his car in my comments.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.
    The 2jz-gte has cast pistons too btw. It has more to do with the ringlands than the pistons themselves.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.
    Wrong, that statement s just wrong. Probably hypereutectic as Terry said. I wouldn't want forged pistons personally anyway. There is a reason OEMs moved away from them. Hypereutectic is nearly as strong and doesn't slap and performs much better cold. For an all out performance build, sure go forged, but at that point I sure as hell don't want to be using stock pistons anyway.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.
    Please, not this againClick here to enlarge

    Neil

    P.S. Of course, they can be cast!

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    All N54 pistons are cast and we all know it. Except this one guy who keeps forgetting it every year. Let's move on.

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    I don't think either forged or cast has been confirmed by a legitimate source and I'll pass on that assumption. There's also no reason why a cast piston wouldn't be able to make 650whp. Peak power and piston material have very little to do in direct relation to each other. Drop compression, run more boost and you'll make even more power on that same cast piston, generally speaking and not going into any other details
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    hes still chasing blown motors? man this guy must think we forget that he's blown at least 3, plus the 2 in his car..
    Shiv?

    And does anyone if there are any ST 335s signed up for the No Fly Event?

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    # Year Make Model HP
    1 2006 Dodge Viper 1,850
    2 2010 Nissan GTR 1,300
    3 2008 Mercedes CLK63 Black 1,000
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    6 2012 Mercedes C63 Black 800
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    20 2011 Nissan GTR 650
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    25 2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1 638
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    29 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 600
    30 2009 Lambo Gallardo 600
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    They all look like RB N54s + Meth, or maybe just low boost single turbos (6ATs?)

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    OK who let the Fiat in. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    OK who let the Fiat in. Click here to enlarge
    Bahahahahaha +1000000

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    Just so we understand each other, Last time I checked, Mahle supplied all BMW pistons. For Turbo Direct injection, mahle supplies Forged alluminum alloy pistons. I pointed this out in a very old thread on here, and dispite this, the general consensus was overwhelmingly in favor of the oem pistons being cast, not forged. Cast what, they didn't say, but folks on here insist it's cast. Again, just so we're clear here, you want Vishnu to push 800rwhp on "cast" pistons, right?
    It's more likely that there is more than 1 piston used in the motor and supplied by Mahle. Conflicting reports on both sides of this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    They can't be cast, and be holding 654rwhp. Keep in mind they are aluminum.
    Cast pistons can hold that power. Not necessarily forever.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's more likely that there is more than 1 piston used in the motor and supplied by Mahle. Conflicting reports on both sides of this.
    Forged / Cast who really cares at this point, its obviously a very stout motor and we really do not know its limit yet without a doubt. But everyone who has built high boost motors knows, lower compression = more boost = more power - some bottom end. So if you really want to make a monster out of this thing, the stock pistons need to go anyways, compression is too high.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I don't think either forged or cast has been confirmed by a legitimate source and I'll pass on that assumption. There's also no reason why a cast piston wouldn't be able to make 650whp. Peak power and piston material have very little to do in direct relation to each other. Drop compression, run more boost and you'll make even more power on that same cast piston, generally speaking and not going into any other details
    and the most intelligent response to my statement goes to............Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    and the most intelligent response to my statement goes to............Click here to enlarge
    But you're statement wasn't very intelligent to begin with...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
    Just so we understand each other, Last time I checked, Mahle supplied all BMW pistons. For Turbo Direct injection, mahle supplies Forged alluminum alloy pistons. I pointed this out in a very old thread on here, and dispite this, the general consensus was overwhelmingly in favor of the oem pistons being cast, not forged. Cast what, they didn't say, but folks on here insist it's cast. Again, just so we're clear here, you want Vishnu to push 800rwhp on "cast" pistons, right?
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I don't think either forged or cast has been confirmed by a legitimate source and I'll pass on that assumption.
    VAC (pretty reliable source) has posted somewhere on the internet & confirmed that the N54 pistons are in fact CAST. If I find the thread (with pictures) and a detailed explanation of how the N54 pistons were identified as cast, I will post it in here.
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