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    Have emailed spec about this as well but their customer service is $#@!, no help from ptf either. Disappointing to spend well over 1200$ on a clutch and flywheel setup for this not to go right.
    This is how the pilot bearing sits on the DMFW Click here to enlarge

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    That pilot shaft thingy consists of 2 parts. You need to remove the inner part and insert/press it into the new flywheel.

    There is a manual included in the package, at least it was in mine.
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    Can someone upload the manual I didn't get one

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    Sorry I don't have it here.

    But its fairly straight forward.

    The Pilotshaft you removed from your DMFW is put together by 2 Parts.
    The inner part is the shaft. I outer part has the holes.

    So you ned to press out the shaft and insert it into the new flywheel. Of course also with a press.
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    Your SMF looks a lot thicker than mine did. I'd ask Spec about that.

    EDIT: Looks like you're already aware.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Your SMF looks a lot thicker than mine did. I'd ask Spec about that.

    EDIT: Looks like you're already aware.
    Mine?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lorddrinkalot Click here to enlarge
    Hey,

    So thats what I have gathered over the last few hours.

    both setups flat on a table:

    Measurements from Table to Fingers of the pressure plate:

    Stock: 9,7 cm = 3,82"

    Attachment 26484

    Attachment 26486

    Spec: 9,9 cm = 3,9"

    Attachment 26483

    If you subtract that the flywheel mounting point for Stock is 1,1cm(0,43") and for Spec 1,2(0,47") less you get:

    Stock: 8,6 cm = 3,39"
    Spec: 8,7cm = 3,4"

    Attachment 26489

    Measuring the Stock mounting point is not easy because you have to remove the pilotshaft so It should be +/- 1mm (0,04") but I don't think it matters to much. And also my Clutch has 100k km(63k miles) down and I don't know what that does to the height of the clutch.

    Than Release bearing height:

    Stock: 28,5 mm = 1,12"

    Attachment 26488

    Spec: 33,5 mm = 1,32"

    Attachment 26487

    So all together there is a difference of 7mm = 0,28"

    That does sound a lot like the problem @Itsbrokeagain was telling us about.

    I was in contact with jeremy @ Spec, he was very nice and tried to help me as much as he can. but because of timezone and my english knowledge it wasn't that easy. Also I'm no mechanic.....

    I will now use the Stock Release Bearing with the 28,5mm setting. That should give me enough clearance to the pressure plate. Now its 19:30 so shop is closed and I will continue tomorrow morning.

    Also Jeremy was sure the Spec setup is lower than Stock so thats why I got the higher Release bearing.

    I drive a E90 335i xDrive make 10/2008.
    Great measurements and pics.... great stuff.

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    I hate SPEC. When I upgrade, I'm going to use clutchnet.com without question. I ran a spec on 3 cars, each one failed (sprung hub came apart on two, one didn't fit right) and customer service was a nightmare. Clutchnet custom made me a disc to any specs I wanted with any material choice, and when it ended up 2mm too large (my fault on measurements not accounting for the pressure plate compression) they replaced it free of charge almost 6 months later (it was a drawn out process installing a northstar in a fiero). Not criticizing anyones clutch choice as many have positive outcomes, just saying. And I know I'm not even close to being alone here. /endrant

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    Sorry, I'll try to be more helpful... on one occasion, spec sent me a flywheel for a different car. It was mis labeled, and took speaking with an engineer reading the engraved number with specs pulled up to troubleshoot on their end (they said it was impossible). It was resolved by sending the correct flywheel. The instance of wrong fit was when they sent a stage 3 oversized disc kit, the disc was too oversized for the pressure plate it came with, worked with the ACT pressure plate I had already. They refused to send a replacement that time, they said verifying fit was my responsibility... when they sent the disc and PP. Otherwise they make decent performance clutches, never had one slip with their rated torque.

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    I had another conversation with jeremy. Maybe we figured out another possible fault source.
    The Tranny fork which is holding the release bearing.

    But for that I have to check my old fork to be sure. It could be that there are 2 different versions available. One which has a flat surface and one which has a curved surface where the release bearing is inserted/sitting.

    That would mean that the Spec TOB would not work with the one which has a flat surface. Because either one must be curved otherwise the angle in which the fork is putting pressure on the pressure plate finger cannot be compensated so that the TOB would always put pressure on the left side of the pressure plate.

    That could possible explain my before mentioned strange behavior.

    I will give you guys pictures tomorrow.
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    ^^^ oh boy this is a very good point and something i would have never noticed. IIRC, my stock fork and Spec TOB is flat on flat surfaces and could very well be the cause of shudder when slipping engagment. This is my first "racey" clutch, so i have nothing to compare.

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    I'm not bashing manufacturers, but you would think the clutch manufacturing salespeople would live on these forums to promote their products, either with or without supporting their manufacturers rep companies? I just don't get it when I see a bunch of enthusiast complaining about customer service, or problems and nobody is actively helping these customers?????

    I bought a Stage 2+ kit, had some confusion on the break in period, but nobody is around to help us understand.

    I guess I need to start promoting a product, test it, retest it, and support it....if it doesn't work, fix the problem, help the customer and sell more........

    These clutches were made in the USA weren't they? If the clutches don't work, sell them to China!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lorddrinkalot Click here to enlarge
    Sorry I don't have it here.

    But its fairly straight forward.

    The Pilotshaft you removed from your DMFW is put together by 2 Parts.
    The inner part is the shaft. I outer part has the holes.

    So you ned to press out the shaft and insert it into the new flywheel. Of course also with a press.
    +1 Thank you sir!

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    looks great!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by boosted5 Click here to enlarge
    +1 Thank you sir!
    Is your spec throw out bearing the same height as your stock one?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lorddrinkalot Click here to enlarge
    I had another conversation with jeremy. Maybe we figured out another possible fault source.
    The Tranny fork which is holding the release bearing.

    But for that I have to check my old fork to be sure. It could be that there are 2 different versions available. One which has a flat surface and one which has a curved surface where the release bearing is inserted/sitting.

    That would mean that the Spec TOB would not work with the one which has a flat surface. Because either one must be curved otherwise the angle in which the fork is putting pressure on the pressure plate finger cannot be compensated so that the TOB would always put pressure on the left side of the pressure plate.

    That could possible explain my before mentioned strange behavior.

    I will give you guys pictures tomorrow.
    Talking to my buddy about this he says for this exact reason he always uses the OEM throwout bearing with the OEM clutch fork. However, depending on the clutch fork the SPEC one works as well. Issue is its hard to say until you have both in your hand to to look at..
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    For me its very hard to see all the possible problems, I do that $#@! for the first time myself.
    I have a good understanding about how a clutch should work and how the parts play together but there is a big difference between knowing and doing.

    I'm gonna head over to the garage now and will provide an update as soon as i can.

    wish me good luck.
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    Hey,

    so here are the pictures.

    My guess was correct:

    Stock:

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    Spec:

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    I fear that it will give everybody problems who has the same fork that I have.

    Another thing is my Clutch dics labled wrong?

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    I found this picture in another thread:
    Looks different than mine.

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    will call Spec later on.
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    Like I said, your flywheel doesn't look like mine. Whatever it is, you didn't receive what I did (non-SAC SMF and stage 3+).

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    Did you order SB533F-2 and SB53S-2?
    In the other pic you can see the labels SB533F-2 and SB53S-2 . Are there any labels or figures on you package? The other package looks like being a match to the product numbers, but yours looks different.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lorddrinkalot Click here to enlarge
    I found this picture in another thread:
    Looks different than mine.

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    will call Spec later on.

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    Spec is working on their vendor account guys, just letting you know.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lorddrinkalot Click here to enlarge
    Hey,

    so here are the pictures.

    My guess was correct:

    Stock:

    Click here to enlarge

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    Spec:

    Click here to enlarge

    I fear that it will give everybody problems who has the same fork that I have.

    Another thing is my Clutch dics labled wrong?
    That is DEFINITELY the wrong throw out bearing, or atleast it's MUCH different and shorter then the one i had come in the kit.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Like I said, your flywheel doesn't look like mine. Whatever it is, you didn't receive what I did (non-SAC SMF and stage 3+).
    Yes thats what I ordered, thats what it says on the packaging and the numbers match with the parts. At least for the SMF because I couldnt find a number on the pressure plate.

    Non-SAC Steel SMF and Stage3+ Clutch kit.

    And after looking at your pictures in the other thread I don't see a difference between yours and mine.

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    Spec says that my friction disc is labeled correctly.

    And they said after looking at my pictures of the TO bearing and fork that it wouldn't work because of my fork. But that is old news.

    My last hope is that the clutch works with the Stock bearing but with the higher setting(33,5mm). With the short mounting position it doesn't work.

    We are also going to test if the pressure plate is working correct, but I couldn't imaging to have such bad luck.
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    The actual smf looks thicker than what I got, but I could be remembering wrong...

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