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    Wow...Seriously! can we get off the tunes already. Its not that serious. When you buy the stage 3 kit you can use whatever tune you want. DZ knows what he's doing. Let it die already.

    Im excited for this achievment! Can't wait to see future results.

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    I have a new in box Aquamist HFS-4 thats been collecting dust for the last 6 months. I'd be willing to let you use it and a JB4 G4. Its only $150 to upgrade to a G5 and Terry may be willing to cut you a deal. Let me know!

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    is meth required for this kit or not necessarily?

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    This car has all the tuning hardware needed already. So, let's just turn up the boost when the clutch has been broken in.

    Getting Dzenno down for doing a Cobb tune is nice too.

    The asset of this kit is that you can use your existing tuning hardware & software and do not need to sell anything to buy something new and expensive again.

    At this point we just want to see Tony's kit works as assumed, so tune discussions are not relevant at all.

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    Would of liked to see a JB4 on it as well! Oh, well keep up the good work Tony looking forward to seeing some good numbers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bmw335iguy Click here to enlarge
    I have a new in box Aquamist HFS-4 thats been collecting dust for the last 6 months. I'd be willing to let you use it and a JB4 G4. Its only $150 to upgrade to a G5 and Terry may be willing to cut you a deal. Let me know!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    This car has all the tuning hardware needed already. So, let's just turn up the boost when the clutch has been broken in.

    Getting Dzenno down for doing a Cobb tune is nice too.

    The asset of this kit is that you can use your existing tuning hardware & software and do not need to sell anything to buy something new and expensive again.

    At this point we just want to see Tony's kit works as assumed, so tune discussions are not relevant at all.
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    It's a good thing to try out all the tunes on the prototype and no need to get obsessed over what tune is used to break in the clutch. The guy already has a PROcede, Dzenno will take car of the Cobb stuff and, I'm assuming, Terry will get his hands on it for the JB4 guys.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    This car has all the tuning hardware needed already. So, let's just turn up the boost when the clutch has been broken in.

    Getting Dzenno down for doing a Cobb tune is nice too.

    The asset of this kit is that you can use your existing tuning hardware & software and do not need to sell anything to buy something new and expensive again.

    At this point we just want to see Tony's kit works as assumed, so tune discussions are not relevant at all.
    Just because the DME can control all the hardware doesn't mean you don't have to tune the car to take advantage of the characteristics of the turbos. I am going to take @bmw335iguy up on his aquamist offer if he is serious and get a Cobb and AP and me and Dzenno and jake will start remote tuning before they come out here. Just be patient guys, I am not going to rush anything because everyone is number hungry, this set up has the potential to blow this motor up, this is not something I am over eager to do.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Just because the DME can control all the hardware doesn't mean you don't have to tune the car to take advantage of the characteristics of the turbos. I am going to take @bmw335iguy up on his aquamist offer if he is serious and get a Cobb and AP and me and Dzenno and jake will start remote tuning before they come out here. Just be patient guys, I am not going to rush anything because everyone is number hungry, this set up has the potential to blow this motor up, this is not something I am over eager to do.
    Agreed. Take your time and give us updates when you can, but not constantly. You should be out putting miles on that clutch instead of responding here!
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    For tuning, stacked Procede will work fine and probably get things moving a little faster… is there an existing meth kit installed? Keeping the community updated by posting maps, datalogs would be great… I know I could help if there’s a need.

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    Tony, I have an FSB and coolingmist meth kit you can use if/when you ever do JB4 testing. Just LMK.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Just because the DME can control all the hardware doesn't mean you don't have to tune the car to take advantage of the characteristics of the turbos. I am going to take @bmw335iguy up on his aquamist offer if he is serious and get a Cobb and AP and me and Dzenno and jake will start remote tuning before they come out here. Just be patient guys, I am not going to rush anything because everyone is number hungry, this set up has the potential to blow this motor up, this is not something I am over eager to do.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
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    Maybe I missed it mentioned, but what is the DP size, 3" or 4" or ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    But im also confused at why not just have Dzen tune it on just cobb with an appropiate meth setup for cobb, because naysayers will say still needs a stack, etc etc...

    Im surprised he's even down for that. Also if you buy this kit its obv expensive why not spend the extra pennies ? You can sell the procede and PWM for the HSF-4 (name may be wrong sorry) and tune with just Cobb...

    Also, Im not sure of how you can stack procede though, I know terry would help, and at his price for jb4 iso its already pretty cheap...
    Like Tony mentioned, it's a very close friends car & he was originally running the Procede Rev3 (NO fueling flash) and Vishnu Meth kit. There is NO PROBLEM with the way they are going to stack the PROcede & COBB together. The COBB will be tuned and control all engine related parameters (timing, boost, fueling, etc) while the PROcede will strictly be used to control the Vishnu PWN Meth system (because there's no financial sense in completely scraping a perfectly good meth kit).

    The performance numbers will be nearly the same across all tunes -- whether you run strictly COBB with an self managing meth kit (Aquamist), COBB + JB4, JB4 + BMS Flash + Meth, PROcede + Vishnu Flash + Meth kit, GIAC/RENNtech/etc etc. That is the brilliance with this product, that you'll be able to run ANY kit because the setup is identical to OEM (specifically with the vacuum controlled WGs), just with big ass GTX turbos.


    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    The DME thinks it is controlling stock turbos as it retains complete control over the actuators, not so much as hiccup of a check engine light all the way up in the rev band. This is exactly why we went through all the extra trouble to build this kit. Oh, didn't bother with an in car video of spool. The turbos are virtually silent at 8 psi. You literally cannot hear them. Maybe at 25 PSI they will open up a bit, 8 psi is like training wheels, they are yawning at me.
    I'm not sure if I'm the 1st, but thank you for going into the marketplace with the intent of building a turbo kit that works from Day 1 with minimal headaches (with both the tuning & hardware). It sounds AWESOME that the turbos are working flawlessly at 8 psi (even though that's nothing for these GTX's). I'm sure the Stage 2s will provide the same quality of craftsmanship & not disappoint.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BuraQ Click here to enlarge
    Maybe I missed it mentioned, but what is the DP size, 3" or 4" or ?
    Pretty sure it's a full, non-tapered 3" DP from the turbo to the full 3" HKS exhaust.
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    This is my last post on this for a while. As of right now, the Cobb has a boost limit of 21.5 psi. That is not enough for what we are trying to do. Hence the need to stack. They are working on it. I am going to break the car in and focus on that for a bit.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    This is my last post on this for a while. As of right now, the Cobb has a boost limit of 21.5 psi. That is not enough for what we are trying to do. Hence the need to stack. They are working on it. I am going to break the car in and focus on that for a bit.
    DME limitation and not sensor limitation I take it?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    As of right now, the Cobb has a boost limit of 21.5 psi. That is not enough for what we are trying to do. Hence the need to stack.
    Just change the TMAP sensor (like Dzenno & all the Vishnu ST cars). Not sure if an individual tuning in ATR is limited to 21.5psi, but since you're working with Dzenno and Jake, the PTF ProTune will take you over that boost limitation.

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    DME limitation and not sensor limitation I take it?
    It's the sensor, Dzenno is strictly running a COBB ProTune, the N20 TMAP sensor & has exceeded 21.5psi
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    It's the sensor, Dzenno is strictly running a COBB ProTune, the N20 TMAP sensor & has exceeded 21.5psi
    But I thought Cobb said it was a programming limitation?

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    If you are stacking with a JB4ISO the N20 3.5 bar sensor is a plug and play with our adapter. Right now it allows entering of boost target values up to 25psi. Later, I'll modify the code to allow up to 36psi. Need to change some internal bytes to words. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    But I thought Cobb said it was a programming limitation?
    Probably in ATR (the standard end user tuning module), in AccessTuner Pro (the COBB ProTuner module) they can go over that.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
    Just because the DME can control all the hardware doesn't mean you don't have to tune the car to take advantage of the characteristics of the turbos. I am going to take @bmw335iguy up on his aquamist offer if he is serious and get a Cobb and AP and me and Dzenno and jake will start remote tuning before they come out here. Just be patient guys, I am not going to rush anything because everyone is number hungry, this set up has the potential to blow this motor up, this is not something I am over eager to do.
    I never said tuning is not needed. However, cams, intake and exhaust valves and the intake manifold are all the same. The turbos just spool slower. This means you can drive around with the car as is without any tuning. Of course you need to tune at higher boost to get the best out of the turbos. Tuning is easy and you have all that is needed. Cobb is not able to manage your meth system, so I'm sure, if some people want to tune Cobb only, they'd like you to invest in a new meth kit so that they could be able to tune with Cobb when it comes to tuning with meth, AFTER getting the pump gas results Click here to enlarge . For the rest of us, who are NOT taking part in the paying part, it just means that the more tuning - more results - more data, the merrier Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Probably in ATR (the standard end user tuning module), in AccessTuner Pro (the COBB ProTuner module) they can go over that.
    I'd like to see this confirmed as I don't think it is accurate. You can set the software maybe for more boost but I don't think that overrides the internal DME limitation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    For tuning, stacked Procede will work fine and probably get things moving a little faster… is there an existing meth kit installed? Keeping the community updated by posting maps, datalogs would be great… I know I could help if there’s a need.
    Yes, he has meth kit. Datalogs would be great indeed. We all could contribute for a common good.

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    just use procede or jb4 for boost / meth and cobb for the rest.. just like terry does with cobb for his flash
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'd like to see this confirmed as I don't think it is accurate. You can set the software maybe for more boost but I don't think that overrides the internal DME limitation.
    There is a 1.28 bar boost cap in place in ATR. However, rumor has it that a certain VTT stage 2+ beta tester will be testing some new ATR software that will make use of the N20 TMAP sensor...

    I know of atleast 1 ATP user running over the 1.28 bar boost cap. So it is infact available, whether it is universally available to the protuners i don't know.
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