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    Famoso track day results

    Hey guys,

    Had a fun time today at the Famoso track day. Four of us from BMS went down to test and tune our cars. Jon, Jeff, and Jason, and myself.

    They limited the day to 100 cars. But what we didn't know ahead of time was around half of those were dragsters. Each one took forever to run and half of them broke down. Total PITA. But weather was perfect in the 50s and traction was decent most of the day.

    I raced the 2008 135i which has a JB4, RB turbos, the BMS flash, BMS downpipes, meth, E50 fuel, etc. In VBOX testing in 40 degree weather the car has been running 131mph so I expected it would trap in the 129-130mph range.

    The issue with the car lately has been the factory automatic transmission. Specifically slippage in 2nd gear. With the new version of the BMS flash we have raised transmission line pressure which greatly helped on the road. So I had high hopes. But today at the track it was not quite enough for full boost in 2nd gear. Hitting 19psi shortly off a 2nd gear launch would cause the transmission to slip badly and upshift itself to 3rd right away. No fun at all. Click here to enlarge

    So plan B was to use the JB4's boost limiting feature to limit 2nd gear boost to 16.75psi. And that did the trick. The lower boost levels combined with the higher line pressure from our flash allowed the trans to hold up to some 2nd gear launches. Unfortunately my 60' times really suffered. Partly from the lack of boost, partly from a lack of confidence in the transmission to hold up to a strong launch off the line. Regardless, still managed to run 11.146@129.48 on a soft 1.883 60' time. I did a few other runs all low 11s @ around the same MPH. Didn't get the 130mph or 10 second slip I was looking for but I know the car has it in it. Click here to enlarge

    Jon, who recently dynod 450rw using factory turbos and E50, blew apart his chargepipe on his first run. Major bummer. Stronger BMS chargepipe is going in tomorrow.

    Jeff, racing a E90 N55, actually did better than we all expected. He managed a killer 1.66 60' time on his way to a best of 12.2@111mph. He comes in at around 250#, his car is full weight, and he had a half tank of gas in it. Around half race gas, using map 7. He blew apart his factory chargepipe on his 3rd run, IIRC. BMS N55 chargepipe going in tomorrow, also.

    Jason, racing a N55 135 struggled to launch the car and was stuck in the 13s most of the day. It was his first time racing it. I think he did finally manage a 12.7@110 by limiting boost in 1st and 2nd. He was grateful for the practice though. Click here to enlarge

    Will post up some more photos, etc, later.
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    Can't wait to have a 135i in my stable. I'd love a rb turbo'd 135i next to my m3.
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    Excellent results Terry. Considering your problems with the AT, and the lower boost in 2nd I think the results are great. How many whp are you putting down with this config/setup? Is it me or does it seem to be somewhat under boost towards redline? I would have expected it to hold more psi at 6k+ when you're running meth?

    Anyway, I'm only hitting 125-126 trap speeds on my Vbox with my RB'd e92 335i on E50, so your 135i is quite a bit faster still Click here to enlarge
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    That's awesome.
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    Great job. Figure out a tranny upgrade so you can beat Shiv and the non existent ST AT times. Click here to enlarge
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    That 1/8 and 1/4 trap is disgusting!

    What was your total race weight?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by G.I.Joe Click here to enlarge
    Excellent results Terry. Considering your problems with the AT, and the lower boost in 2nd I think the results are great. How many whp are you putting down with this config/setup? Is it me or does it seem to be somewhat under boost towards redline? I would have expected it to hold more psi at 6k+ when you're running meth?

    Anyway, I'm only hitting 125-126 trap speeds on my Vbox with my RB'd e92 335i on E50, so your 135i is quite a bit faster still Click here to enlarge
    Around 520rw. RB's struggle to hold 19psi at redline. But can produce 22-23psi @ peak HP if you want it. I've found minimal gains vs. 20psi though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
    That 1/8 and 1/4 trap is disgusting!

    What was your total race weight?
    They did not have the track scales working so I'm not sure on that. I daily drive the car in the same trim so I'll swing by a scale one of these days and find out.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
    Great job. Figure out a tranny upgrade so you can beat Shiv and the non existent ST AT times. Click here to enlarge
    I've never seen a reported track time from a single turbo AT so not sure what to be gunning for there! Click here to enlarge
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    <---jealous. Great traps and time.

    Weird how these charge pipes are blowing up. I'm still on my stock charge pipe and pushing more boost.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
    <---jealous. Great traps and time.

    Weird how these charge pipes are blowing up. I'm still on my stock charge pipe and pushing more boost.
    It was a total jinx. I was telling them not to worry about it and that we would update them in a few weeks when we had more time. It was a major bummer for Jon especially who needed the MT seat time. It's no fun to wake up early, drive 140 miles, spend all the money to race, and have the car crap out on the first run. I'd strongly suggest you upgrade it. We have one for $229 that is a drop in fit. Click here to enlarge
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    Hmm you were getting 5 degrees after shifts. Imagine full advance.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Around 520rw. RB's struggle to hold 19psi at redline. But can produce 22-23psi @ peak HP if you want it. I've found minimal gains vs. 20psi though.
    Cool, thanks Terry. I don't think I'd want to go much over 20 psi for daily driving anyway.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    It was a total jinx. I was telling them not to worry about it and that we would update them in a few weeks when we had more time. It was a major bummer for Jon especially who needed the MT seat time. It's no fun to wake up early, drive 140 miles, spend all the money to race, and have the car crap out on the first run. I'd strongly suggest you upgrade it. We have one for $229 that is a drop in fit. Click here to enlarge
    Yeah I can defintely understand the frustration.

    Thanks for the offer, but Vishnu is supposed to be sending me theirs. I've been lackadaisical with getting the ball rolling.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    Hmm you were getting 5 degrees after shifts. Imagine full advance.
    The DME decided to drop my normal timing targets by around 2 degrees across the board for some reason. At this boost level maybe it knows best. Click here to enlarge
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    Damn charge pipe! Sounds like it ruined the day. But at least there is a better option out there. I look forward to seeing you numbers with the new pipe.
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    Great results! Charge pipe is really hit or miss on some cars. I'd rather have the piece of mind changing it out before it breaks.

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    Nice runs T, with a 1.7 60' you are in 10s. Good to see BMS still owning the 1/4 mile scene Click here to enlarge
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    Those damn stock chargepipes are so weak. What a $#@! plastic piece BMW created.
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    Now if this was a Vishnu ST thread some would say: only 0.1sec quicker and 4mph faster than the stock turbo setup on this same car and in better conditions? Is this upgrade even worth it? Click here to enlarge just sayin'

    Terry, what did you do to confirm raised transmission line pressure?
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    The best MPH stock turbo was 11.38 @ 125.24mph on a 1.83 60' time. Car was ~50# lighter then and used full power in all gears. Similar weather.

    So if you look at just the best run from stock turbos and ignore the trans issues this time around then you're looking at around .23ths and 4.2mph gained.

    The main difference was with the RBs it runs 129mph pretty much every single run. Back then it would average 123mph and hit 125mph only once after a good cool down. For example when it ran 11.2 the same day on a 1.6 60' it went only 122mph.

    net/net you get around 60whp with RBs vs. factory turbos. At much as 70-80whp gains if you really push things with them. If going from ~123mph on average to ~129mph on average does not interest someone then I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to spend $3500. Click here to enlarge A single turbo seems to give 175whp maxed out with a steptronic but I've yet to see a single timeslip from one so can't tell you how it compares to RBs. To be worth the lack of torque, extra cost, etc, to me personally, I think it would need to run at least ~133mph+ in the same car, same conditions.
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    I was just kidding with that ST comment, no need to explain it to me at all. I know the power to mph/et relationship on this platform quite well. On the ET there's quite a bit on the table, 10s with a good 60' BUT its starting to seem impossible to reach 10s with RBs unless building the 6AT tranny. 6MTs though might be able to do it with an awesome driver.

    I do have a couple questions though. Do you feel this is a healthy tune for RB turbos given boost levels and would you recommend others race on similar settings? What was your WGDC 6-7k rpm? Have a wgdc/pwm log to share?

    Lastly, have you confirmed raised transmission line pressure using some equipment or logging?
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    I don't think anyone is going to run 10s more than a few times on the factory automatic. Maybe with a valve body upgrade, etc, things will change. On the tuning overall everything was pretty stable so it seems OK to me. With things like this something could let go at any moment, though. Just the nature of the beast.

    PWM was reasonable. I'm using pre-turbo injection as well (M3 in each cone, + CM12 in the chargepipe), which may have been helping on that front a bit.

    On the trans pressure, yes have confirmed the pressure is now raised. It's an experimental addition to our flash so not interested in sharing any details on it. Click here to enlarge
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