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    Cost of a custom Dart Billet S65 V8 block? $15k-$18k

    Yes, expensive, but not as bad as the $40k+ guys have been tossing around. Contacted Dart and got a response:

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    Still a lot for a block when we still don't really know the limits of the stock block. Plus I don't even think the s65 will be in the 1000whp territory anytime soon to need that. For now it's just speculation but it is really cool to know that they can do that.
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    hahaha 20 grand. Thats too funny.




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    Still a lot for a block when we still don't really know the limits of the stock block.
    I really don't want to find that limit...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    Plus I don't even think the s65 will be in the 1000whp territory anytime soon to need that.
    1000 probably not on the YSI. But with another blower...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
    For now it's just speculation but it is really cool to know that they can do that.
    Ya but the main issue with the S65 seems to be the block flex at big power levels. If that can be resolved then I'll throw a $#@! ton of boost at the $#@!.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    hahaha 20 grand. Thats too funny.
    For a custom billet block? It's not terrible.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    For a custom billet block? It's not terrible.
    You can have a 800whp lambo for 20 grand.

    AND its never been done so its all speculation of what it could do. (Do it sticky, you would be the test mouse!)




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    You can have a 800whp lambo for 20 grand.
    You have to look at it as building withing the confines of the platform. I could have had a turbo gallardo a long time ago. That doesn't fix the S65 block flex for big boost. It's about solving our problems not abandoning them but I'm just being overly cautious.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    AND its never been done so its all speculation of what it could do. (Do it sticky, you would be the test mouse!)
    Well this thing would be basically bulletproof. Let's say one day I just say $#@! it I want to beat everyone with my m3 and throw on an even bigger blower and nitrous, well, I'd like to it with something this stout. It's just brainstorming and thinking not likely to happen but still fun to talk about.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You have to look at it as building withing the confines of the platform. I could have had a turbo gallardo a long time ago. That doesn't fix the S65 block flex for big boost. It's about solving our problems not abandoning them but I'm just being overly cautious.



    Well this thing would be basically bulletproof. Let's say one day I just say $#@! it I want to beat everyone with my m3 and throw on an even bigger blower and nitrous, well, I'd like to it with something this stout. It's just brainstorming and thinking not likely to happen but still fun to talk about.
    Couldn't you do the same thing with a N54, put nitrous and a big turbo on it, and do the same thing?




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Couldn't you do the same thing with a N54, put nitrous and a big turbo on it, and do the same thing?
    Not exactly, fuel system and tuning issues plus open deck block.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Couldn't you do the same thing with a N54, put nitrous and a big turbo on it, and do the same thing?
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not exactly, fuel system and tuning issues plus open deck block.
    With enough money & the necessary resources (tuning & fueling in the case of the N54), you can do whatever you want
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    With enough money & the necessary resources (tuning & fueling in the case of the N54), you can do whatever you want
    $18k gets laughs at this point, see what you are talking about costs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    You can have a 800whp lambo for 20 grand.

    AND its never been done so its all speculation of what it could do. (Do it sticky, you would be the test mouse!)
    You've clearly never done anything custom to a European car have you, let alone an exotic..

    That 800whp Lambo (UGR I imagine) is a lot more than $20k.. the clutch alone required for most of their builds is $10k.. the cost if something goes wrong.. don't even get me started on that.

    $20k is just the start on a car like that.

    Even the insurance is expensive, ESPECIALLY if you want to daily drive it.

    Similar to how someone who's never owned a luxury car at all thinks 'how bad can it be, this used E46 M3 is only $15k.. ok and your SMG pump should it fail is $2k.. and the oil is $16 a quarter.. insurance is a premium, etc.

    I bet a simple window regulator for that Lambo is $1k.. I know for a 2004 Bentley GT the rear window regulator is $1074 and is special order.. and they go out all the time, the rear brake light on a Bentley GT is $600 and the labor to install it is $1500 because you have to remove the rear window.

    So in short, throwing $15k-$20k at a billet block if you plan to push 1000rwhp+ in a car that can be insured for around $125/mo or so and an oil change isn't $500 might be worth it to some.

    Don't over simplify it.

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    Sticky, I'm starting to understand why your M3 has turned into a unicorn. Classic case of scope creap. Just get the $#@! running and enjoy it. Plenty of time to upgrade down the road.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, I'm starting to understand why your M3 has turned into a unicorn. Classic case of scope creap. Just get the $#@! running and enjoy it. Plenty of time to upgrade down the road.
    What are you talking about man? I'm just discussing a billet block here. The M3 is being wrapped up, peoples stupid comments notwithstanding.

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    FWIW, you will not reach the limit of good, properly installed sleeves. They are the deal Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
    FWIW, you will not reach the limit of good, properly installed sleeves. They are the deal Click here to enlarge
    This. People are making 2,000hp+ on ford mod motor block and nissan vq blocks without the need for a billet block no reason whatsoever why you would need one for a street driven car.

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    Not to be captain obvious here but .. not all blocks are created equal and I'm pretty sure Sticky's interest in a billet block is not solely for cylinder wall strength. I'm guessing he'd also take a look at other issues that could be addressed such as the oiling...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
    FWIW, you will not reach the limit of good, properly installed sleeves. They are the deal Click here to enlarge
    It isn't the sleeves that's the problem, it's the bedplate flexing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
    Not to be captain obvious here but .. not all blocks are created equal and I'm pretty sure Sticky's interest in a billet block is not solely for cylinder wall strength. I'm guessing he'd also take a look at other issues that could be addressed such as the oiling...
    Thank you.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
    This. People are making 2,000hp+ on ford mod motor block and nissan vq blocks without the need for a billet block no reason whatsoever why you would need one for a street driven car.
    Has Performance Motorsport made over 2000hp yet? I know they are using a stock VQ block with Darton liners....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It isn't the sleeves that's the problem, it's the bedplate flexing.
    One solution I've seen in the motorsport arena is to combine the bedplate/maincaps together with the oil pan and dry-sump system.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    One solution I've seen in the motorsport arena is to combine the bedplate/maincaps together with the oil pan and dry-sump system.
    This is a good suggestion...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    Has Performance Motorsport made over 2000hp yet? I know they are using a stock VQ block with Darton liners....
    There are a few VQ's with 2,000hp+, vinny ten, abbey motorsports and one in Australia are ones that come to mind.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    One solution I've seen in the motorsport arena is to combine the bedplate/maincaps together with the oil pan and dry-sump system.
    Yup that is the way its done on the VQ motors. Before anyone threw away money on a billet block(most of which arent even water cooled and are drag race ONLY) this would be WAY cheaper, would help tons with flexing and will be the best oiling solution ever plus allow youto mount the motor lower for a better cg.

    For a VQ:
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    And the best part is one already exists for the S65 so the cost is probably 3-5k only:

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    If you wanted a cheaper solution still a lot of people mill their own girdles, here is one the is easy and beefy as $#@!.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
    Before anyone threw away money on a billet block(most of which arent even water cooled and are drag race ONLY) this would be WAY cheaper, would help tons with flexing and will be the best oiling solution ever plus allow youto mount the motor lower for a better cg.
    Why exactly does the dry sump help with flex? Due to more material bracing where it's mounted?

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