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    DOJ Drones Paper: Obama's Second-Term.

    DOJ Drones Paper: Obama's Second-Term Cabinet, Agenda Faces New Scrutiny

    Posted: 02/04/2013 11:31 pm EST | Updated: 02/05/2013 8:13 am EST



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    WASHINGTON -- A report Monday night on the nature of the administration's drone program has the potential to dramatically revamp the debate over President Barack Obama's foreign policy and the confirmation process for his incoming cabinet.
    The report, by Michael Isikoff of NBC News, reveals that the Obama administration believes that high-level administration officials -- not just the president -- may order the killing of “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or an associated force even without evidence they are actively plotting against the U.S.
    “A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” states the Justice Department white paper quoted by Isikoff.
    The 16-page memo, given to Congress in June, is not the final Office of Legal Counsel memo that news organizations have sued to obtain. But it offers plenty of insight into the government’s justification for killing American citizens in overseas drone strikes.
    The paper states that the U.S. would be able to kill a U.S. citizen overseas when "an informed, high-level official of the U.S. government" determines the target is an imminent threat, when capture would be infeasible and when the operation is "conducted consistent with applicable law of war principles."
    The white paper suggests that such decisions would not be subject to judicial review and outlines a broad definition of what constitutes “imminent” threat.
    Constitutional experts said the memo's definition doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Administration critics immediately said the white paper is fresh evidence the president has abandoned his 2008 campaign pledge to recognize and respect the limits of executive power.

    Jameel Jaffer of the American Civil Liberties Union called the document"pretty remarkable" and said some of its arguments "don't stand up to even cursory review." He said the paper “only underscores the irresponsible extravagance of the government's central claim.”
    Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, called the document “profoundly disturbing” and said it was “hard to believe that it was produced in a democracy built on a system of checks and balances.”
    “It summarizes in cold legal terms a stunning overreach of executive authority –- the claimed power to declare Americans a threat and kill them far from a recognized battlefield and without any judicial involvement before or after the fact,” Shamsi said in a statement.
    Watchdog groups and members of Congress have made repeated pleas for the administration to release internal documents outlining the rationale for the targeted killing program, especially when the target is an American citizen. NBC's report increases pressure on the administration to release additional documents.
    The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.
    Earlier on Monday, 11 senators signed a letter formally requesting that the administration provide its legal justification for drone strikes to Congress. Marcy Wheeler, a blogger who has closely tracked the requests, said it was at least the 12th time Congress had asked for such documents.
    The Justice Department white paper's publication comes at an unfortunate time for the White House, shepherding several top cabinet nominees through confirmation in the Senate. The leak may pose hurdles for the confirmation of John Brennan, the nominee for CIA director.
    Brennan, now a top White House adviser, is the architect of Obama’s drone policy. He has been a strong proponent of the expanded practice of targeted assassinations to kill suspected terrorists wherever they may be. It was under his watch that the Awlaki assassination was approved.
    In the final months of Obama’s first term, Brennan joined other members of the national security team to codify procedures for determining the appropriate use of targeted killings into a so-called “playbook,” but much of the process remains opaque.
    Nevertheless, it is likely that the legal backbone for the drone and killing program would emerge as a major controversy in Obama's second term as the death toll rises. In addition to Brennan, Obama’s pick for secretary of defense, Chuck Hagel, is is a proponent of selective strikes, including drone kills, to maintain America’s edge in the war on terrorism without risking major troop deployments.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    reveals that the Obama administration believes that high-level administration officials -- not just the president -- may order the killing of “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or an associated force even without evidence they are actively plotting against the U.S.
    Have they just gone power mad?

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    Every President does... This falls right into the same line as Bush with torture techniques and infinite detainment and a line of other actions by nearly every President. People feign outrage and then it all goes away. In any case its not a defense on the issue. Merely highlighting its not an Obama thing its a President thing and they ALL make power grabbing decisions. This is just another example...

    More interested in the WH issuing a statement on the stance and their legal logic behind this.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Every President does... This falls right into the same line as Bush with torture techniques and infinite detainment and a line of other actions by nearly every President. People feign outrage and then it all goes away. In any case its not a defense on the issue. Merely highlighting its not an Obama thing its a President thing and they ALL make power grabbing decisions. This is just another example...

    More interested in the WH issuing a statement on the stance and their legal logic behind this.
    its one thing for foreigners.. American citizens is a WHOOOOOOOLE different issue.. especially followed by "or an associated force even without evidence"

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    Bush's doctrine as the most recent uproar in "National Security" included Americans as well. Its no different in my view. Doesnt make it right or wrong in either case, merely stating its the same equivalant. If anything the prior administration with Bush & Cheney set the precedent. Slippery slope as they say
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Bush's doctrine as the most recent uproar in "National Security" included Americans as well. Its no different in my view. Doesnt make it right or wrong in either case, merely stating its the same equivalant. If anything the prior administration with Bush & Cheney set the precedent. Slippery slope as they say
    The thing everyone needs to remember is that they are related, and are cousins. Dick, Bush, and Obama all related. All supported the Patriot act, and now we have the NDAA. weeeeeee
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Bush's doctrine as the most recent uproar in "National Security" included Americans as well. Its no different in my view. Doesnt make it right or wrong in either case, merely stating its the same equivalant. If anything the prior administration with Bush & Cheney set the precedent. Slippery slope as they say
    can you point me to information on that. this would be news to me. if its the status quo, to me its no different, but i honestly never heard of it before O

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    Obama has pretty much extended/expanded Bush's foreign policy.

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    Isn't it interesting that we (an auto blog) recognize that the use of drones to kill outside of the theater of war is new and needs discussion, but the national conversation that should be had through congress hasn't happened.

    Legislators need to legislate!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    Isn't it interesting that we (an auto blog) recognize that the use of drones to kill outside of the theater of war is new and needs discussion, but the national conversation that should be had through congress hasn't happened.

    Legislators need to legislate!
    People here tend to not be unemployed, uneducated, or on welfare.

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    People here tend to not be unemployed, uneducated, or on welfare.
    The same should be true about congress people, except for the part about them being on the taxpayer's welfare.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    The same should be true about congress people, except for the part about them being on the taxpayer's welfare.
    Congress should be paid based on their performance.

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    all presidents go ape$#@! on their second term. I call it their cum term, they can blast anyone and everyone with whatever the $#@! they want because they just dont care about getting re-elected.
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    In the meantime....

    Looks like drones will become the model-t of drone warfare. This simulation supposedly represents real tech...


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by yage202 Click here to enlarge
    Looks like drones will become the model-t of drone warfare. This simulation supposedly represents real tech...
    The goal is ultimately to have robots doing the fighting it seems. People will have no chance. Just a matter of time.

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