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    John Noveske's last Facebook post

    This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

    Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

    Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

    Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

    A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

    Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

    Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

    Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

    Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School then he committed suicide.
    Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

    Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
    New York high school.

    Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

    What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

    What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

    What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

    What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
    Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

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    we lost a true patriot today....RIP I have american sniper in my office and re-reading it today as we lost chris kyle as well
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    RIP Kyle. true american patriot.

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    Anytime we've talked about it here on the forum or with other people, the problem is and never was the gun. The problem is the mental health of the shooter & (what it turns out to be a significant majority of the time) is that they've been heavily medicated & something goes "wrong". The world we live in now prefers to address people's mental difficulties & struggles by simply medicating them numb instead of actually confronting & overcoming the problem.

    Whether or not you like guns, you cannot ignore the truth that responsible gun owners who take part in the debate build their arguments in a respectful manner that focus exclusively on the facts. The same cannot be said about the other side.
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    the problem with the medication argument is that you listed 30 failures of the meds, but there are millions of success stories..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    the problem with the medication argument is that you listed 30 failures of the meds, but there are millions of success stories..
    And I'm pretty sure if you look at the side effects for all of these medications, "suicidal thoughts" will be listed on the majority (if not every one of them). It's great when these things work as intended, but when people self medicate or something that goes wrong that there is a disclaimer for on the product, should be really be surprised?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    the problem with the medication argument is that you listed 30 failures of the meds, but there are millions of success stories..
    same goes for criminal firearm incidents.. so it leads the question.. where is the problem, with the few guns used to commit crimes, or the medications those people were on that commited the crimes?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    same goes for criminal firearm incidents.. so it leads the question.. where is the problem, with the few guns used to commit crimes, or the medications those people were on that commited the crimes?
    Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

    Also not every person committing gun related homicides is on meds or mentally unstable.
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    And another sad and unfortunate death. Even in a controlled environment, with highly trained military men, senseless deaths happen:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

    My condolences to his family.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

    Also not every person committing gun related homicides is on meds or mentally unstable.
    your right, and i think thats what most are interested in blocking, people on medication, that have those side effects, from owning weapons. That is a legitimate argument.

    currently the politcal focus is merely on the wepaons themselves, because of the actions of a fraction of a percentage point of gun owners, whom, most were illegally obtain... yet the route they want to take is ban firearms..

    conversely, we could argue to ban the medication.. its obviously a crucial role in the MASS shootings that are taking place.. remember, its "for the greater good" so for the safety of all americans, noone should be able to take that medication

    in the real world, it would not be a far stretch to say if your on medication, like the above, where known side-effects are severe, like memory loss, suicidal thoughts, and depression, then you cannot own a fire-arm..


    ** btw, im against just about all medication, especially for "mental" issues, as i beleieve, and know it does more harm than good, and if a psych problem can be solved, drugs are not the answer, and is part of the corporate america problem..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    your right, and i think thats what most are interested in blocking, people on medication, that have those side effects, from owning weapons. That is a legitimate argument.

    currently the politcal focus is merely on the wepaons themselves, because of the actions of a fraction of a percentage point of gun owners, whom, most were illegally obtain... yet the route they want to take is ban firearms..

    conversely, we could argue to ban the medication.. its obviously a crucial role in the MASS shootings that are taking place.. remember, its "for the greater good"

    in the real world, it would not be a far stretch to say if your own medication, like the above, where known side-effects are severe, like memory loss, suicidal thoughts, and depression, then you cannot own a fire-arm..
    No chance in hell in banning the medication. Pharmaceutical companies even though I don't know this for sure, I bet make tons more money from the drugs they sell. Also they probably have lobbyists with much much deeper pockets than the NRA, and any other American gun manufacturer combined.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    No chance in hell in banning the medication. Pharmaceutical companies even though I don't know this for sure, I bet make tons more money from the drugs they sell. Also they probably have lobbyists with much much deeper pockets than the NRA, and any other American gun manufacturer combined.
    exactly, but you see my point?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    the problem with the medication argument is that you listed 30 failures of the meds, but there are millions of success stories..
    Too bad when it involves guns rather than medication they say ban the guns but never the medications or the doctors which prescribe them even if there are millions of success stories versus the tragedies.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    No chance in hell in banning the medication. Pharmaceutical companies even though I don't know this for sure, I bet make tons more money from the drugs they sell. Also they probably have lobbyists with much much deeper pockets than the NRA, and any other American gun manufacturer combined.
    The NRA is quite powerful and backed by the 2nd amendment. Drug companies don't have the bill of rights to rely on but it makes you wonder how they have so much power, doesn't it?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    exactly, but you see my point?
    Sure but guns will not get banned in entirety either. Certain firearms will be banned just like certain drugs are banned, just no way around it. We're closing in on the "Utopia" of what was perceived in Demolition Man, we won't get there quite yet in our lifetime, but I don't see us heading any other direction at the moment either as a human race.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    ** btw, im against just about all medication, especially for "mental" issues, as i beleieve, and know it does more harm than good, and if a psych problem can be solved, drugs are not the answer, and is part of the corporate america problem..
    Amen. It's an American cultural problem: why actually take the time to solve the problem when we can easily pay to have it medically subdued instantly. AS Americans, we like instant gratification, which doesn't guarantee the best solution.


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    The NRA is quite powerful and backed by the 2nd amendment. Drug companies don't have the bill of rights to rely on but it makes you wonder how they have so much power, doesn't it?
    Money. Think about how much money is spent on legal drugs: advil, tylenol, cold medicines (pills & syrups), cholesterol meds, psych/mental health drugs, birth control, etc etc etc bull$#@!. Problem with DC politics is that Bayer/Pfizer/Tylenol will pay a lobbying firm to tap into Congressional Offices & offer "fair compensation" (reelection campaign donations) for their (and their political caucus) vote.

    Especially under this administration, it seems that none of the principles or documents that this country is founded upon means $#@!. If you can provide notable financial support for David Axelrod, you can run the country & decide what legislation (and consequentially, what rights) gets pushed or eliminate.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Sure but guns will not get banned in entirety either. Certain firearms will be banned just like certain drugs are banned, just no way around it. We're closing in on the "Utopia" of what was perceived in Demolition Man, we won't get there quite yet in our lifetime, but I don't see us heading any other direction at the moment either as a human race.
    you say utopia, but mean communistic.. absolute power corrupts, we know this., history has shown it over and over. we are the last hope, which is why people flock here, and noone flocks to those societies for a better life..

    i would be suprised if the firearms ban passes, i would guarantee it ends the political career of almost everyone that pushes for it.. and uprisings will happen. I also forsee large amount of business and people move to states that are taking action, included this guy. in our lifetime or our childrens, there will be an active uprising and people will need to choose

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The NRA is quite powerful and backed by the 2nd amendment. Drug companies don't have the bill of rights to rely on but it makes you wonder how they have so much power, doesn't it?
    It's the power of the dollar. To a politician, it is more powerful than the Constitution, unfortunately.

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    Is this the same guy who claimed to have smacked Jesse Ventura in the face at some random bar?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GetSomeE92 Click here to enlarge
    It's the power of the dollar. To a politician, it is more powerful than the Constitution, unfortunately.

    Correct
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
    Is this the same guy who claimed to have smacked Jesse Ventura in the face at some random bar?
    no, thats chris kyle, the seal sniper, 2 different people are being discussed here

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    no, thats chris kyle, the seal sniper, 2 different people are being discussed here
    Ok so who is John Noveske?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Ok so who is John Noveske?

    "John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at www.NoveskeRifleworks.com are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013."

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    Ok, you have me scratching my head...

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