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    Just ordered the kit through a vendor over on e90posts, will see how this goes!
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    @POWER10, I brought up your posts with David from SPEC and here's what he's said:

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    I spoke with him on the phone Thurs afternoon and told him I would search his order (he bought it 2nd hand) and call him back, which I plan to do today. The company he bought it from does not buy direct, so I had to research to figure out who their distributor was b/c he did not know.
    I am guessing its not easy to dig up this information. Are you able to help him out and provide him with the info required?

    Sorry to hear about your issues, wish I could help more...
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    Got in touch with David, will post full update after SPEC resolves the matter in full.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bulldog x6 Click here to enlarge
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    customer service at SPEC is a joke
    I'm sorry to hear that...

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    Me and my neighbor put the new Spec Stage 2+ and Spec billet Steel SMFW (no-SAC). New Spec TO and Pilot bearing. Shout out to Bimmerspecialist who made good on their shipment screw up (sent 1 bellhousing bolt instead of 5.......but pirority AM overnighted 4 x $2 bolts on their dime$$$) All new flywheel bolts and also ordered pressure plate bolts, but the spec kit had them with lock washers anyways. Did the rear main (which was leaking) and front differential o ring (leaking) while we were in there.

    This is my first "performance" clutch so I'm new to the feel and break in so looking for some feedback because a little nervous because this clutch feels quite RAW.

    About 20 miles on the clutch and it seems to be much better than mile 1. Right after the install, in neutral you could feel some vibrations coming through the clutch pedal. After a few miles this vibration/chatter can only be felt when you push in the pedal 1/2" or so.

    The clutch engages, as others have mentioned, close to the floor...about 2-3" from the floor. At first it was closer to the floor. If the clutch keeps adjusting as it breaks in, I really believe the engagement will be very close to stock!

    My E46 M3 had chatter, but probably not as pronounced as this new clutch. I"m assuming its just the uneveness of the mating surfaces working themselves out. It feels very raw.

    Funny thing is that I am trying to granny the car into gear by feathering with minimal RPM's, but that just makes the chatter worse. So yesterday, I reved her up a little more than usual as I feathered in the clutch and it felt NICE....I believe the lighter SMFW combined with the turbo's spooling sound just had me smile for a second.....much more connection with this clutch.

    The only thing that bothered me around mile 20 I (kind of accidentally) was in 3rd gear around 40 mph and just happened to get some boost going and the clutch slipped for a split second.....I wasn't beating on the clutch and concerned that the clamphing force is worse than my OE clutch was at 120,000 miles? Done some reading and the kevlar indeed will slip until it is broken in properly.....which I plan on doing. I'll be turning off the JB4 for now.

    If I can just get passed the vibration/chatter I feel when I start to push down on the clutch and release, and get passed the break in period when hopefully the clutch wont slip anymore, I may be a very happy customer.
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    Good report.

    Are you sure the clutch was slipping or might you have momentarily spun your tires?

    Neil

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    "As for the pedal vibration during breakin, the billet bearings are not self-aligning. The stock design self aligning brgs are not as beefy as we'd like for the high clamp loads we have put in the plates. So until the clutch fully seats some vibes will be felt."

    So this is the disturbing feeling I am getting for the last 20 miles since installing the spec stage2+ and non-SAC steel SMFW??? Am I supposed to start feeling pedal vibration when pushing the pedal in about 1/2 to 1"? At mile 1 on the install, I swear the vibration was in the pedal without pushing in, but now it is getting smoother.
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    Road was wet and cold, but I'm pretty sure my XI wasn't spinning tires. With only 20 miles (if that, probably a lot less since this is back road town) on a new performance clutch...probably just need to let it break in. The chatter and clutch pedal vibrations are still quite heavy, so I imagine the clutch is probably really uneven inside to outside, all around.....and definately not ready for 450 ponies for another 1000 miles of breaking in. I also think at this time the TO bearing was slightly pushing on the PP as the vibrations are right as you start to push in the PP??? I also read that the Kevlar clutches wills lip during break in.....hope that is the case and things will mesh together and clamp, otherwise I will not be happy!


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    Good report.

    Are you sure the clutch was slipping or might you have momentarily spun your tires?

    Neil
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    TICK TOCK TICK TOCK....Waiting once again for a reply email/call from David at SPEC.

    I want this resolved already, please. I, along with every other member of this forum would agree that I have been extremely lenient with providing ample time for turnaround responses. We agreed to a resolution and once again, I am waiting on your e-mail to move forward. Why is it taking so long when you and I were emailing back and forth for 30 minutes and then you completely fall off the face of the Earth. The manner in which the issue is being handled is disrespectful.I believe I'm owed at least a proactive phone call with a status update along with the other points to resolution.
    You have my phone #.

    I look forward to having this matter closed in the next week as it should not take any longer than that.

    Regards,

    -WK [Power10]

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by POWER10 Click here to enlarge
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    TICK TOCK TICK TOCK....Waiting once again for a reply email/call from David at SPEC.

    I want this resolved already, please. I, along with every other member of this forum would agree that I have been extremely lenient with providing ample time for turnaround responses. We agreed to a resolution and once again, I am waiting on your e-mail to move forward. Why is it taking so long when you and I were emailing back and forth for 30 minutes and then you completely fall off the face of the Earth. The manner in which the issue is being handled is disrespectful.I believe I'm owed at least a proactive phone call with a status update along with the other points to resolution.
    You have my phone #.

    I look forward to having this matter closed in the next week as it should not take any longer than that.

    Regards,

    -WK [Power10]
    I don't get why you haven't received a response man, I'm sorry.

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    Warmed up the clutch a little in my driveway today (about 10 minutes of backing up and driving forward) keeping the clutch chatter at a minimum by taching up around 2000-2500 rpms. Drove around a little on the backroads, slightly engaging/disengagin the clutch a little here and there. Brought up the tach a little more in 3rd and 4th and the clutch is holding up nicely. No slip, no smell.....the chatter gets better with each shift. The clutch is engaging right around the middle of the pedal throw. The clutch pedal vibration is day and night better then when I first installed the clutch.

    It's hard to explain, but maybe with the new flywheel being a little lighter, the car feels and sounds much stronger?

    If the clutch keeps progressing in this direction, only after a few days of careful driving, I am going to be VERY happy.
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    Will,

    I had been out with the stomach virus. We spoke via email at 4pm yesterday..what's with the post? If you need me you have my direct email..this forum is not where I work, even though I try to visit as much as possible.


    David

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SPECis Click here to enlarge
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    Will,

    I had been out with the stomach virus. We spoke via email at 4pm yesterday..what's with the post? If you need me you have my direct email..this forum is not where I work, even though I try to visit as much as possible.


    David
    It's your job to accommodate the customer and there are many questions here... just want to point that out.

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    I just keep reading a ton of excuses and no resolution disgraceful

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    There are plenty Of enthusiast that troll these forums! If you have a problem with a customer, address it, otherwise everyone (like myself) wonder if the customer service is really a problem!

    If you want to sell more products, simple, stand behind the product you sell and promote! Take care of the problems!

    I had to dig deep and research to find out that kevlar (aramid) clutches will slip during the break in period! Why not educate te enthusiast on these forums in what to look out for, how to avoid problems, etc! Heck, why not post some vids of the install like HPF does?
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