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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by S62R Click here to enlarge
    I had a nice chat with a guy I know who used to worked in the BMW Motorsport engine development.

    P65 and S65 do not have a single part in common.

    Just a FYI.
    i just had a chat with a guy who used to work for the CIA, says the S65 caused global warming, had to be detuned, reason for not putting out more hp....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    Please tell me why you own an m3. please.
    tell me why you have a drivers license.. better yet, why your on a bmw performance forum..same concept..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    AMEN.

    I can't believe some people don't get it. The S65 is an amazing motor. Weak? LOL.

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...ms_gtJPG-1.jpg
    oh, thats the motor i have in my M3..? weird, i thought it was a P65 in there, and an S65 in mine.. hrrmmmm..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    The S54 was a let down. The S54 is a gutless and torqueless wonder powering a heavy car.
    lol, so, by your own statement, the S65 MUST be a let-down as well, heavier car, still gutless, and torqueless.. you are truely an amuzing character, we are all loving your thoughts Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    oh, thats the motor i have in my M3..? weird, i thought it was a P65 in there, and an S65 in mine.. hrrmmmm..
    You can turn it into a P65 if you want. How much $ you got?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    lol, so, by your own statement, the S65 MUST be a let-down as well, heavier car, still gutless, and torqueless.. you are truely an amuzing character, we are all loving your thoughts Click here to enlarge
    You really don't understand gearing or a torque curve. Still.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    Some people don't understand that there's no replacement for displacement.
    but, but but, it won awards, and 100hp/ltr, so it HAS to be awesome! ROFLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLL!!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    lol, so, by your own statement, the S65 MUST be a let-down as well, heavier car, still gutless, and torqueless.. you are truely an amuzing character, we are all loving your thoughts Click here to enlarge
    LOL nice!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
    lol at what the m3 gts cost. $150000+.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Apparently that is what they want and then there would be no complaints.
    you would be correct, if OTHER V8's werent capable of that kinda thing for 1/2 the price, and offered to the public, again, at much less price.. sooo.. thumbs up for trying to debate it only to admit we are correct.. thanks ! Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You really don't understand gearing or a torque curve. Still.
    I do and perfectly well so and that changes nothing in terms of S65 having no torque to multiply lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    you would be correct, if OTHER V8's werent capable of that kinda thing for 1/2 the price, and offered to the public, again, at much less price.. sooo.. thumbs up for trying to debate it only to admit we are correct.. thanks ! Click here to enlarge
    If you want bang for the buck go somewhere else. The M3 is not designed to be a bang for the buck power mod platform. I don't know why you don't get this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I do and perfectly well so and that changes nothing in terms of S65 having no torque to multiply lol
    Based on what you displayed in this thread I have to disagree, strongly.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Based on what you displayed in this thread I have to disagree, strongly.
    And that would be what exactly?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    If you want bang for the buck go somewhere else. The M3 is not designed to be a bang for the buck power mod platform. I don't know why you don't get this.
    So why don't you get an LFA then? Nothing money can't buy and you seem to not mind spending 100s of thousands of dollars on "endurance" motors not meant for the street while having much cheaper alternatives for road courses
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    And that would be what exactly?
    Lack of understanding of the topics you are attempting to discuss.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Lack of understanding of the topics you are attempting to discuss.
    You are the one lacking sense, let alone understanding the topic of this thread
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    So why don't you get an LFA then? Nothing money can't buy and you seem to not mind spending 100s of thousands of dollars on "endurance" motors not meant for the street while having much cheaper alternatives for road courses
    Good point man. I went to the dealership and looked at the M3 then walked over to Lexus and looked at the LF-A and chose the M3 because of the back seats.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Good point man. I went to the dealership and looked at the M3 then walked over to Lexus and looked at the LF-A and chose the M3 because of the back seats.
    Click here to enlarge No, you said it was too expensive a few pages back and henceforth therefore not worth it as much as the S65 lmao
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You are the one lacking sense, let alone the topic of this thread
    I don't think any intelligent person sees it that way. I think it's more of you clinging to a juvenile argument based on tuning forced induction motors which has no application in the context of engine design, engineering, or capability.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge No, you said it was too expensive a few pages back and henceforth therefore not worth it as much as the S65 lmao
    The LF-A in my opinion is too expensive for what it is.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't think any intelligent person sees it that way. I think it's more of you clinging to a juvenile argument based on tuning forced induction motors which has no application in the context of engine design, engineering, or capability.
    You're forgetting that I said the S54 was a better option here than the S65 LOL especially with some like an AA kit on it, for the money spent, to get it 500whp and to get it on a road course right? Right.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The LF-A in my opinion is too expensive for what it is.
    That's impossible in your world. Price shouldn't matter in an NA motor to get it at whatever cost possible. Its a gem of a motor right?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    You're forgetting that I said the S54 was a better option here than the S65 LOL especially with some like an AA kit on it, for the money spent, to get it 500whp and to get it on a road course right? Right.
    I don't really see how that changes your inability to differentiate crank torque from axle torque as well as torque multiplication with revs.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    LOL so now a P65 running with an aftermarket standalone is ok but the Alpina motor in the B3 GT3 was a MAJOR redesign because of its 9.4 compression pistons and SAME everything else. Quiet laughable especially given how much is involved on both sides and given tuning potential on both motors. S65 is simply underwhelming OEM accept it especially given how well the S54 did and still does, simply an inadequate upgrade
    Thank you...all I do is point out that the alpina 335 racing that m3 gts in that article makes less power than a fbo 335 and I'm told I'm a fool and the alpina b3 gt3 is a major redesign. Does it have beefed up internals? Yes. Does it make more power than a fbo 335 roaming the streets? No. And somehow the slip on exhaust is some major mod...what does that yield? 8hp? Yea...according to alpina
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    ESS 6XX kit

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    That's impossible in your world. Price shouldn't matter in an NA motor to get it at whatever cost possible. Its a gem of a motor right?
    Um have you not been reading the thread where I referenced the pricing of the GT3 RS 4.0 several times? Did I not say pricing is a consideration especially in an NA motor like the S65? Did I not say BMW could get more power out of it but at increased cost? What thread have you been reading?

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