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    There are other turbo options that are coming out for the S54 as well.

    FSR Motorsports is releasing a new turbo kit this year, here is the link

    FSR S54 Turbo Kit

    Then there is also a company based out of Atlanta, Ga called "Technica Motorsports"

    I can't seem to dig up any information about the kit, but apparently they have a very big presence in the E36 M3 turbo market

    http://www.technicamotorsports.com/
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    I like the SC option as well because I can add some headers, xpipe, etc. as an interim step while I learn to drive the car. They also would not be throw aways to an SC kit, unlike a turbo option. The HPF kits are just too damn expensive, glorious for sure, but I cant justify the cost in my mind.

    Great input guys, really appreciate all the feedback.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
    Thanks for your response. I must say I have been following along with the threads regarding Evlove tuning on ESS hardware and its extremely intriguing to me. The SC option is really appealing for that linear throttle response and feel as the car will be a summer driver that will see road course track time and the occasional drag strip run.

    The HPF option, is appealing for the sheer power, that said I am not a good enough driver to likely put that power to the road effectively and I often wonder what it would be like to drive a stage 2 on a road course. Additionally, I do not have the desire or the financial means to have a huge rwhp monster, I want to stay on stock internals and I want to have fun and maximize the uptime of the vehicle without having to constantly dig into my wallet.

    If I go down the S54 path, an evolve tune ESS 550 is really what I am leaning towards. I just do not want to feel buyers remorse about what could have been with the HPF kit. Time will tell and I am still very much following the MAX-PSI progress here along with advancemnts in the other BMW platforms that I like.
    I really think you should consider the turbo route. Linear throttle response of the SC is great but if you aren't going for retarded HP a properly sized turbo with good spool will offer very nice response not to mention none of the centrifugal drain down low. Think about it, you win either way on this though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    There are other turbo options that are coming out for the S54 as well.

    FSR Motorsports is releasing a new turbo kit this year, here is the link
    Never even heard of this one need to put a thread up on it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NickG Click here to enlarge
    For those of you commenting about not using a turbo car on the track, particularly an S54 turbo, I have to ask....."Have you actually DRIVEN an S54 with a turbo kit to base your comments on?"

    Up until now, the only S54 turbo setup commonly available was the HPF kit. I agree that the HPF setup would be a handful on the track due to the shape of it's torque curve (hard hitting boost in the midrange, ala 80's Porsche 930).

    The MaximumPSI turbo kit has a completely different power delivery. On the street (ie, real load), you get 8psi by about 3500rpm, and it comes on smoothly, not abruptly. This makes it ideal for all type of driving (or racing) conditions. If you haven't driven this setup yet, I suggest you actually do so before commenting on it. Making comments and evaluations about something you've never experienced does a disservice to the product and, most importantly, the community.

    Another thing worth mentioning is the lack of methanol on the MaximumPSI kit. It was designed with only pump fuel in mind. That means no meth pumps to go bad, no jets to clog, no tanks going empty, etc. This maximizes reliability of the kit and the car, something that is very important for FUN operation. You want more power? Throw in a tank of high octane (103) unleaded fuel and turn up the boost a couple psi (~10-10.5). Bam....around 520rwhp and totally reliable, with no hardware changes or meth setups to worry about.
    Good post.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    Its obvious you have tuned it to not make much power down low because your graph is very similar to a s/c curve. Studying your graph you make power 1k rpm sooner and the same tq as a supercharger. To me it seems all the benefits of having a turbo are thrown out the window. So why not just go the S/c route?

    Methanol is not that complicated and rarely does it clog or have a problem due to the aem security features. I rather have meth on tap with 100% performance for pennies than hunt down some $9 race gas but that's just me. When it comes to reliable power and a proven track record our kit just makes sense.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by NickG Click here to enlarge
    Hopefully somebody can copy the dynojet graphs of the MaxPSI kit, posted elsewhere on this forum, over to this thread for comparison.
    It really should be MaxPSI doing that themselves Nick...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Never even heard of this one need to put a thread up on it.
    They're basically done with all the fab work. They are using a pro-efi for engine management

    These FSR guys are pretty big players in the supra world, and they work closely with SP engineering. Kit seems to be pretty promising

    Here is a video of their prototype kit




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    Also forgot about the Saad Racing Turbo kit as well
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    It all comes down to $ and what the customer is looking to do with the car. Good luck with your track car endeavor Irish. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    They're basically done with all the fab work. They are using a pro-efi for engine management

    These FSR guys are pretty big players in the supra world, and they work closely with SP engineering. Kit seems to be pretty promising

    Here is a video of their prototype kit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=nrSp8QLHaV4


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    Also forgot about the Saad Racing Turbo kit as well
    thats not fsr's thats kenton's hpf m3.

    FWIW..i have alot of fun on the track with s54 turbo. esp when pulling on sc'd m3s outta the turns Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    thats not fsr's thats kenton's hpf m3.
    Whoops! My bad I saw FSR post up that vid on E46 Fanatics thought it was their kit.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    It all comes down to $ and what the customer is looking to do with the car. Good luck with your track car endeavor Irish. Click here to enlarge
    Thanks Andrew, I have a lot of work still to do about learning the platform but one thing is for certain, the community is great Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
    without having to constantly dig into my wallet.
    This part of the idea may get tricky Click here to enlarge good luck bro, i'm sure you'll have a ton of fun with it!

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    I have an ESS 550 kit running at the track, currently the lap record holder in our class. Nothing but podium finishes, Thanks to ESS' reliability. I tell a lot of guys that look into FI for track use... "You can't win a race if you don't finish."

    Video of my car below...


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    This part of the idea may get tricky Click here to enlarge good luck bro, i'm sure you'll have a ton of fun with it!
    Yes, I know it may be wishful thinking but that is the goal. Thing I really likie about the S54 is how mature the platform is. I am still debating about getting back into an N54 though Click here to enlarge

    I am just completing a detailed analysis and chronicle of the S65, S54 and N54 and what it takes to get them to 500 rwhp along with a graphical illustration of their power delivery (both toque and rwhp). I will be posting it up later today, this analysis has really openned my eyes even further.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tonester Click here to enlarge
    I have an ESS 550 kit running at the track, currently the lap record holder in our class. Nothing but podium finishes, Thanks to ESS' reliability. I tell a lot of guys that look into FI for track use... "You can't win a race if you don't finish."

    Video of my car below...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFpXLcGq5k
    Wow, fantastic driving and love the car. This is exactly the kind of fun I want to have with my car. I have a lot of learning to do on how to drive though Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
    Yes, I know it may be wishful thinking but that is the goal. Thing I really likie about the S54 is how mature the platform is. I am still debating about getting back into an N54 though Click here to enlarge

    I am just completing a detailed analysis and chronicle of the S65, S54 and N54 and what it takes to get them to 500 rwhp along with a graphical illustration of their power delivery (both toque and rwhp). I will be posting it up later today, this analysis has really openned my eyes even further.
    From what I've seen and read, I'm pretty sure the s54 can get to 500whp the easiest now that maximumpsi has entered the scene.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tonester Click here to enlarge
    I have an ESS 550 kit running at the track, currently the lap record holder in our class. Nothing but podium finishes, Thanks to ESS' reliability. I tell a lot of guys that look into FI for track use... "You can't win a race if you don't finish."

    Video of my car below...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFpXLcGq5k
    I see an Okada coils on your car as a decal. Is that necessary on an S54 with FI? They're not cheap at all

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    From what I've seen and read, I'm pretty sure the s54 can get to 500whp the easiest now that maximumpsi has entered the scene.
    How come they'd do it the easiest?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    I see an Okada coils on your car as a decal. Is that necessary on an S54 with FI? They're not cheap at all



    How come they'd do it the easiest?
    I factored price in there as well. They are the cheapest option coming in @ $9k

    Throw a little e85 in the tank and the car should be hitting 500whp no problem
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
    I factored price in there as well. They are the cheapest option coming in @ $9k

    Throw a little e85 in the tank and the car should be hitting 500whp no problem
    turbo or supercharged?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    turbo or supercharged?
    It's the factory DME tuned turbo kit that was released by maximumpsi. You've definitely seen the thread for it

    Here is the Link

    Made 476whp through the stock exhaust
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    Oh ya i've seen this...9k though? what's in the kit?

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    Turbo is a Precision 6266CEA

    Comes with new intake manifold, Intercooler, Intercooler piping, Downpipe, Tune, and I'm not sure what else.

    Here is a pricing breakdown

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    Stock S54 with Maximum PSI bolt on kit, stock compression
    Technique Tuning programmed DME
    93 octane fuel(91 octane cal available)
    Random Technology high flow catted downpipe or optional catless downpipe

    Here is the tentative pricing for the kit:
    Catted downpipe with functional OBD2 readiness - $9500 + shipping
    Catless downpipe with "off road" cal - $9100 + shipping (will not have CEL, but will not pass OBD2 readiness test)

    Smg will add a minimal increase for the necessary reservoir and parts.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Oh ya i've seen this...9k though? what's in the kit?
    found a picture as well

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    As was requested, I have attached a chart comparing the MAX-PSI race gas curve with a few other platforms.

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