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    Cooling Mist meth woes

    I bought my kit back in March 2012,

    I've had to replace 3 FSB , 1 solenoid, 1 pump, and now my 2 month old pump is making the same "spun bearing" like noise

    Currently, the FSB will not activate the pump/solenoid, and will only activate if I bypass the unit and connect directly to the positive battery terminal. This has been a month-long saga which I thought was "fixed," but
    after I got it to work again, I decided against using it since the temps got colder. Now today, I switch to map 6, FUB=1 (previously I had FUB=3 to disable methanol on all maps), no meth flow? Today, I did some troubleshooting, purged the fluid using the positive battery terminal only to be greeted with this noise from the pump http://db.tt/jfO5ygN8

    Terry@BMS has been great with providing warranty replacements and support so far, no worries there
    Click here to enlarge But has anyone else have this issue?
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    I'm not trying to talk down on Cooling Mist or anything but when I hear meth kits woes it's almost automatically going to be a Cooling Mist post. That said, service seems to be good and they stand by their product. I have not purchased it so I can't say but it sucks you are having the issues you are and you shouldn't be.

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    oh yes, David @ Coolingmist has been great to work with as well for warranty replacements, he'll definitely go above and beyond of explaining every single little part in the kit with extensive detail.

    That said, with the problems so far, either the kit or my car's electrical system, I'll either be getting rid of this kit once warranty expires next year and go back to COBB and go to PFT for an E50 map or keep the JB4 ISO, run E50, and supplement it with a BMS flash to run a more aggressive mix if desired. Ethanol looks to be my short-term future instead of methanol injection.
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    I dont recall having many problems with mine. only issue was the lines way back. I would think if your going through fsb's, then your wiring is off. If your going through pumps, i dont know what to tell you as im on the same as from 2009. Im not saying those parts are not defective, but when 1 "kit" goes through multiple issues, same over and over, something is causing it

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    It really sounds like electrical issues with your car. I have only heard of a couple instances of this where FSBs kept blowing and even more rare that pumps fail. Either way it's going to be difficult and costly to find the problem so you may just want to go e85 and drop the meth just to save money in the long run.
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    I've had the same pump and pretty much the same lines/hardware in my CM trunk-mounted from 2010. No issues thus far. Like others said, it might be a wiring issue?
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    Obviously check wiring, but also the voltage you are tapping into. Just a thought.

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    I'm definitely not ruling out the electrical system. It's coincidence that my issues popped up after I swapped to a g5 board 2 1/2 months ago so maybe I triggered something but never caught it when I did the ISO Mod.
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    Have you pulled the tune out to check the install? Have you put a voltmeter on the wiring to check for correct V? I could see something awry friying an FSB but not a pump in the sense of something being awry under the hood. Well, is your pump in the trunk or under the hood? It's very interesting and not surprising that you've gotten great support from Terry and CM. Both have amazing customer service and are testaments to how businesses should be run.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
    I'm definitely not ruling out the electrical system. It's coincidence that my issues popped up after I swapped to a g5 board 2 1/2 months ago so maybe I triggered something but never caught it when I did the ISO Mod.
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    The same Aquatec pumps are used in all meth kits. I think they provide a year warranty on them, just email CM and they can probably replace it for you.
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    only been running the kit (note just pump, solenoid, boost trigger...come on Terry, you know you want to do a JB for this car so I can have some good meth integration Click here to enlarge) with no problems. On the GTI forums maybe 2 or 3 people had solenoid issues, however CM has been great with making things right.

    I should note a few people had issues with blown fuses and some solenoid issues that were related to wiring and using improper gauge wire.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Have you pulled the tune out to check the install? Have you put a voltmeter on the wiring to check for correct V? I could see something awry friying an FSB but not a pump in the sense of something being awry under the hood. Well, is your pump in the trunk or under the hood? It's very interesting and not surprising that you've gotten great support from Terry and CM. Both have amazing customer service and are testaments to how businesses should be run.
    In less than 16hrs of emailing Terry my issue's last night and coordinating with David @ CM, I got a tracking # for a new pump. That's dedication on both ends!

    I'm still running a WW system (yeah I know!), my pump and solenoid is located behind the foglight housing on the bumper support, is gravity fed from the WW tank, and is always cool to the touch because of the incoming rush if outside air.

    i'll have to double check my G5 re-install, the only thing I did during that install was just unplug the DB9 (I think thats what it's called) from the G4 and plugged it into the G5, then weeks later after ISO was introduced, unplugged it, opened up the box to cut the diodes, and plugged it back into the DB9.
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    Sorry OP sounds like a real PITA




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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
    Sorry OP sounds like a real PITA
    are you still selling that FMIC?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
    are you still selling that FMIC?
    sorry its sold, i can still order you one if you want. takes about 2 weeks




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    As long as you're putting a new pump in I would switch it over to a 2.2g trunk tank or similar. Much more reliable in terms of flow than a WW setup especially one tapped where it can't be purged easily on the road.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    As long as you're putting a new pump in I would switch it over to a 2.2g trunk tank or similar. Much more reliable in terms of flow than a WW setup especially one tapped where it can't be purged easily on the road.
    or a 1 gallon tank bolted onto the emergency tool compartment, they are dirt cheap and function perfectly

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    I've been having meth issues for awhile, whereby flow is now below 60% and therefore doesn't activate properly. Pump is gravity fed and I'm running it with the JB4+FSB.

    I got my kit from BMS in Feb 2012 - it has a CM DDP5800 pump. I was thinking of changing out the pump and solenoid. There has been any updates to the pumps or are they selling the same ones? There seems to be an update to the solenoid for sure though. Based on the comments above, should I consider another brand?

    any advice would be appreciated, as I miss my meth!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    There has been any updates to the pumps or are they selling the same ones? There seems to be an update to the solenoid for sure though. Based on the comments above, should I consider another brand?
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    Still running a WW meth kit. Lets hope you have full coverage for fire, its not a matter of if, just a matter of when. I would focus on getting the tank in the proper place so you don't burn your car down, then troubleshoot your problems.

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    I don't know about pump updates but there was def a solenoid update. I still stand behind the BMS/CM 2.2 GAL meth kit. I've installed at least a dozen and, while there have been intermittent issues, most were either install (loose wire or something small) or user error (wrong settings in JB4 interface) all still work solidly today.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    I've been having meth issues for awhile, whereby flow is now below 60% and therefore doesn't activate properly. Pump is gravity fed and I'm running it with the JB4+FSB.

    I got my kit from BMS in Feb 2012 - it has a CM DDP5800 pump. I was thinking of changing out the pump and solenoid. There has been any updates to the pumps or are they selling the same ones? There seems to be an update to the solenoid for sure though. Based on the comments above, should I consider another brand?

    any advice would be appreciated, as I miss my meth!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ramjet Click here to enlarge
    I've been having meth issues for awhile, whereby flow is now below 60% and therefore doesn't activate properly. Pump is gravity fed and I'm running it with the JB4+FSB.

    I got my kit from BMS in Feb 2012 - it has a CM DDP5800 pump. I was thinking of changing out the pump and solenoid. There has been any updates to the pumps or are they selling the same ones? There seems to be an update to the solenoid for sure though. Based on the comments above, should I consider another brand?

    any advice would be appreciated, as I miss my meth!
    my first pump crapped out and didnt flow right... new pump solved issue and is still mint 1-2 years later..

    also 100000% move to trunk, thats anyone with a meth kit... SAFETY alone is well worth the thirty minutes of your time and 100 for the biggest tank... and i dont even need to purge the kit anymore , it litteraly just works as soon as its filled without ever having a hiccup, ever.

    I just ran my line along side the fuel lines underneath, up behind the metal shield, very simple
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ChuckD05 Click here to enlarge
    my first pump crapped out and didnt flow right... new pump solved issue and is still mint 1-2 years later..

    also 100000% move to trunk, thats anyone with a meth kit... SAFETY alone is well worth the thirty minutes of your time and 100 for the biggest tank... and i dont even need to purge the kit anymore , it litteraly just works as soon as its filled without ever having a hiccup, ever.

    I just ran my line along side the fuel lines underneath, up behind the metal shield, very simple
    Yep, I moved away from the WW tank some time ago.

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    Lol, I am still using the same DevilsOwn pump from 2009, only parts that need replacing were the nozzle holders and solenoid. I must've had a Monday pump.

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