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    Spec 3+ and Steel SMF

    Hey Guys,

    This has been a long time coming. My Spec Stage 3+ clutch with the newly developed steel SMF has just come in! Tomorrow it is going for the install. I do not plan to do the most in-depth review, but I have identified a few criteria for success:

    1. It doesn't rattle
    2. It holds my current torque (around 430whp or so) and what I plan on adding with pre-turbo meth (xxxwhp)

    Additional benefits I'd like to hit:

    3. Faster/smoother rev matches and quicker throttle response
    4. Better drivability around town (I feel like this car lurches a lot, maybe its just my poor driving)

    Already right off the bat, I can say the build quality appears to be good. Nothing looks janky, things lineup, the flywheel appears sturdy, the clutch disk is beautiful. That being said, is it $1,500 good? We'll see...

    One thing to note: I was told this flywheel would weigh 22lbs. It in fact weighs 23.6lbs. In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal, but I would have appreciated the lighter weight. The design carries the bulk of the mass in the center of the flywheel and should result in a lower MOI than the DMFW. I am still optimistic about quicker rev matches.

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    This was taken from about 4ft away, ground level, passengers side door. Yeah, you can hear my turbo whine.

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    Looking forward to the review!

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    In for review. My stock clutch is holding on like a goddamn hero at 62K miles but i think it's time is coming...

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    Did you get a SAC clutch (the second table on SPEC's website)?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TCW Click here to enlarge
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    Did you get a SAC clutch (the second table on SPEC's website)?
    I ditched the OEM setup altogether. So no, I don't believe I got the SAC clutch. I should have the one rated to 671ftlbs. The SAC units are rated to less and that deterred me from going that route.

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    In for a review, nice pics. My stock setup is holding at 55k but I'm only fbo cobb stg2+ on pump. My main concern would be "OEM like" feel.....hopefully it won't be too heavy or rattle like crazy.

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    SAC setup is 25lbs, 3lbs heavier than non-SAC..find the part number and i'll let you know what you got...basically if you've git a -2 in the product number (SKU) you got the non-SAC kit

    I could've set you up with a bit better price than 1500 though..
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    Interested in the results. FW doesn't look right... I thought there was a center shaft for the pilot bearing. Or is it a separate piece that presses in.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
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    Or is it a separate piece that presses in.
    yes

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    Looking forward to hearing your review.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
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    SAC setup is 25lbs, 3lbs heavier than non-SAC..find the part number and i'll let you know what you got...basically if you've git a -2 in the product number (SKU) you got the non-SAC kit

    I could've set you up with a bit better price than 1500 though..
    I should have mentioned. It was $1,377 shipped. Also it is the non-SAC componentry. P/Ns in bottom left of one of the photos.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
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    Interested in the results. FW doesn't look right... I thought there was a center shaft for the pilot bearing. Or is it a separate piece that presses in.
    You press in the center spindle from the stock DMF.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    You press in the center spindle from the stock DMF.
    I hope your pilot bearing comes out much easier than mine did. Little guy did not want to leave his home.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
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    I hope your pilot bearing comes out much easier than mine did. Little guy did not want to leave his home.
    Fortunately I found a shop to do the clutch swap for $520 in San Francisco no less. Phenomenal!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    Fortunately I found a shop to do the clutch swap for $520 in San Francisco no less. Phenomenal!
    Nice. But make sure they actually put the new pilot bearing in. Mine did not want to come out. And if the shop doesn't know you that well, there is always the possiblity they just leave the old one in if it is a PITA to get out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
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    Nice. But make sure they actually put the new pilot bearing in. Mine did not want to come out. And if the shop doesn't know you that well, there is always the possiblity they just leave the old one in if it is a PITA to get out.
    Oh I see, you meant the pilot (little 1" diameter bearing) that goes inside the OE spindle, not just the spindle? I will make sure they get this done. The guy seems pretty honest and open to discussion, but I will make sure.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    Fortunately I found a shop to do the clutch swap for $520 in San Francisco no less. Phenomenal!
    That price is ok but shouldn't be more than 400 max tbh given its a shop with some experience doing a clutch on this car
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
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    That price is ok but shouldn't be more than 400 max tbh given its a shop with some experience doing a clutch on this car
    They haven't done this car before. Normally do Nissan/Acura. All the prices around the Bay Area are based around 7.5-8 hours labor at $150/hr. Lowest quote out of the 7 others was $880, but that was in the booneys. Most were around $1200. So for me $520 is a good deal! Click here to enlarge

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    $520 is a very good deal. I paid 6hrs x $80/hr =$480 and that's to the shop I get all of my work done at so it was quite the deal for me. $520 at a shop you have no history with is very good as long as they do a good job Click here to enlarge
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    Where do you find the rating on the clutch disk? Specifically the rating for the stage 2+ with SAC (SB533H)?

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    4-4.5hrs tops to do a clutch on THIS car guys but I do understand when you go to a shop that hasn't done it before and typically doesn't work on this car...that's

    With a lift in a shop that's done it before should be able to do it very comfortably in 3
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TCW Click here to enlarge
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    Where do you find the rating on the clutch disk? Specifically the rating for the stage 2+ with SAC (SB533H)?
    Our spec sheet has the 2+ rated at 545lb-ft
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    Oh I see, you meant the pilot (little 1" diameter bearing) that goes inside the OE spindle, not just the spindle? I will make sure they get this done. The guy seems pretty honest and open to discussion, but I will make sure.
    Yeah that's the one. They might try to tell you that you don't need replacing it, but since it comes with the kit it is a good idea to replace it. I'd give them a heads up that it can be a pain and to make sure they have a pilot bearing puller that is big enough. If they know that you know about it, less likely to try and get away with leaving the old one in.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
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    4-4.5hrs tops to do a clutch on THIS car guys but I do understand when you go to a shop that hasn't done it before and typically doesn't work on this car...that's

    With a lift in a shop that's done it before should be able to do it very comfortably in 3
    I looked at the work, came to the same assessment on time, and each shop told me I was wrong and they go by the BMW book time. Of course I know better than that, but around here its not that easy. Cost of living is pretty high.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    Cost of living is pretty high.
    Have you checked the cost of living in Toronto, Canada? Click here to enlarge One of the most expensive cities to live in NA
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