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    FFTEC N54 335i In-line Fuel Pump Upgrade - DISCUSSION

    Saw a post on E90 that FFTEC made an update on Facebook....Here is the update picture...Any thought/discussion/concerns/etc??

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    Is that going into the fuel tank? How is it mounting? If it is outside of the tank, how is it being cooled? How is this better than Terry's DIY which already turns the HPFP into the limit? Is this meant to be used with upgraded lines from tank to hpfp?

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    *** EDIT *** Removed a negative comment. Not really my place. Click here to enlarge

    On the plus side it should be relatively inexpensive. Inline pumps like that with lines are only $100-$150. I'm not sure why they added a CNC head to it so looking forward to the explanation there. You can order most pumps in an inline format with screw in fittings on either side.
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    Shiv's been talking about this products release for a little while. Should be interesting

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    Interesting. Is it just me or they have gone back and forth between saying they're offering an in-tank LPFP replacement vs an Inline booster pump? Remember the last teaser pic they showed? lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    *** EDIT *** Removed a negative comment. Not really my place. Click here to enlarge

    On the plus side it should be relatively inexpensive. Inline pumps like that with lines are only $100-$150. I'm not sure why they added a CNC head to it so looking forward to the explanation there. You can order most pumps in an inline format with screw in fittings on either side.
    Here is a response from one their guys...obviously doesnt tell much info...Probabaly have to wait until Shiv chimes in hopefully with logs:

    Originally Posted by*MikeB@fftec*This is an in-line fuel pump system that retains all the factory fuel syphons. This works in conjunction with the factory low pressure fuel pump. The standard Walbro 400 that others are using alone doesn't flow well at the higher fuel pressures which are required for this application. Our in-tank, fuel system runs the fuel pumps in series, substantially increasing fuel volume at the high fuel pressures this application demands.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nitehawk Click here to enlarge
    Interesting. Is it just me or they have gone back and forth between saying they're offering an in-tank LPFP replacement vs an Inline booster pump? Remember the last teaser pic they showed? lol
    I believe they always refered to it as the in line pump..Shiv even mentioned that it was not a booster pump and that a booster pump wouldnt be the proper solution
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rooringhusky Click here to enlarge
    Here is a response from one their guys...obviously doesnt tell much info...Probabaly have to wait until Shiv chimes in hopefully with logs:

    Originally Posted by*MikeB@fftec*This is an in-line fuel pump system that retains all the factory fuel syphons. This works in conjunction with the factory low pressure fuel pump. The standard Walbro 400 that others are using alone doesn't flow well at the higher fuel pressures which are required for this application. Our in-tank, fuel system runs the fuel pumps in series, substantially increasing fuel volume at the high fuel pressures this application demands.
    I haven't run in to any low pressure issues issues running 500rw E60 only. In theory the pump should support 700rw depending on the E85 mixture. And of course this just happened to be one of many pumps that can be used in tank. If their inline pump is cheap enough and solves the same problem I guess why not. I've just used inline pumps in the past and always found them to be more of a stop-gap than a real long term solution. So I'm predisposed to prefer the single in tank pump approach.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I haven't run in to any low pressure issues issues running 500rw E60 only. In theory the pump should support 700rw depending on the E85 mixture. And of course this just happened to be one of many pumps that can be used in tank. If their inline pump is cheap enough and solves the same problem I guess why not. I've just used inline pumps in the past and always found them to be more of a stop-gap than a real long term solution. So I'm predisposed to prefer the single in tank pump approach.
    Haha make a better, cheaper option please




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    I'm not bashing, because I like what FFTECH is doing and I haven't done much research on E85 myself; but wasn't Shiv knocking Terry for using brass fittings on his solution? Fock!

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    friends are saying this

    friends are saying this will be effective ?


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    LOL

    seriously? Not laughing at you, but THAT product...

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    Shiv always likes to say things and then do the opposite. Yes please Terry, come up with a better working option...why do I have a feeling Shiv will try to sell this for $1000...

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    I'm suprised that FFTEC is fine with putting VISHNU on everything that goes on the 335.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
    I'm not bashing, because I like what FFTECH is doing and I haven't done much research on E85 myself; but wasn't Shiv knocking Terry for using brass fittings on his solution? Fock!
    There seems to be conflicting information on this. Have a look at

    http://www.in.gov/idem/files/la-072-gg.pdf

    and

    http://www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance

    and

    http://catalog.gpi.net/Asset/Chemica...lity-Ver-6.pdf

    The first link states brass is not compatible with ethanol fuels, specifically. The second two links say brass is compatible with ethanol (but not ethanol fuels specifically).

    I would tend to trust the first link due to the context of ethanol used as a fuel, with gasoline, possibly in the presence of water. The second two links may not be making the right assumptions for using brass in a system which delivers a mixture of ethanol and gasoline, possibly in the presence of some water, to be burned in an engine. For instance, they may be assuming pharmaceutical grade (USP) ethanol in a lab.

    Stay safe, use stainless! Nickel and nickel plated fittings appear acceptable as well.

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    It's not released yet but that thing looks like somebody went to the auto parts store and hardware store and bought whatever they could to get their civic working again. If they were going to go through a machining process i think they should have finished the job and extended it to cover more/all of the pump and integrate the wiring and plumbing into it. I'm not a fan of adding another electrical piece to band-aid a problem. If the original pump isn't enough replace it as if you add that you have to now worry about your original LPFP and that pump.

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    Certainly will be effective at making Shiv even more money than he takes from his suckers today.
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    I'd personally attack the root cause (ie OEM LPFP) rather than attaching a second booster type pump, since the original restriction orifuses still exist in the system, and will likely cavitate. But I guess shiv likes to put piggiebacks on everything he can.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    Shiv always likes to say things and then do the opposite. Yes please Terry, come up with a better working option...why do I have a feeling Shiv will try to sell this for $1000...
    The Walbro DIY is working well and holding full low pressure so until I start to get low fuel pressure drops again I consider it good enough for me. Click here to enlarge
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    Why not just put in a better primary pump & skip the kludge?
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    Shiv is more of a band-aid type guy, not a final solution.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Tzu Click here to enlarge
    I'd personally attack the root cause (ie OEM LPFP) rather than attaching a second booster type pump, since the original restriction orifuses still exist in the system, and will likely cavitate. But I guess shiv likes to put piggiebacks on everything he can.
    So what you're saying is that his new power kit is gonna be trailing a lawnmower engine behind the car to provide 50 extra WHP?
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    Id say fuel line upgrade would help more than this

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    Id say fuel line upgrade would help more than this
    I wouldnt knock it just yet. Supposedly its running well, whatever works, works. It's all hearsay for now. Either way, good to see two working solutions out.

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    FWIW all of our flex fuel vehicles at Shift S3ctor were running this pump with no issues.

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    If we have one solution that's an upgrade for the factory pump and another that's an inline booster, sounds like a win-win to me. Especially when it's time to use both :-).

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