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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    @dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks once again full specs rundown please.
    Which specs are you interested in?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Which specs are you interested in?
    Um, all of them for this car.

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    Great numbers. His much has the new gearing influenced the figures??

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    Promoted to front page with minor edits. Didn't feel like rewriting the whole thing, it was good enough but Dzenno you need to double check your posts. Or I guess that's my job. Either way congrats.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Great numbers. His much has the new gearing influenced the figures??
    You sir raise an interesting point.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by klipseracer Click here to enlarge
    Great numbers. His much has the new gearing influenced the figures??
    I didn't think gearing and tire size were inputs for dynojets? Shouldn't have any meaningful effect imho.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    I didn't think gearing and tire size were inputs for dynojets? Shouldn't have any meaningful effect imho.
    Wheels, tires, and what gear you run do have an effect.

    You try to run in 1:1 on a dynojet.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Wheels, tires, and what gear you run do have an effect.

    You try to run in 1:1 on a dynojet.
    Well yeah, but I wouldn't expect the difference to be huge.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    Well yeah, but I wouldn't expect the difference to be huge.
    It can be...

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    Gearing/tyre selection is one thing that makes dyno results meaningless in a real world scenario... Dzenno has a 2.5x final drive, this results in much MUCH greater in-gear speeds, totally changes the torque feel of the car...

    with this power level/torque level, it would be much MUCH more manageable to drive around with the long gearing.

    ED: i have no idea if it effects dyno results, or how they're calculated

    but actual torque to the wheels will differ between 2.56/3.06/3.46...

    http://www.team-integra.net/forum/14...es-torque.html

    explains it perfectly

    "Gaining power with a different transmission? They didn't teach us that at Import Tuner magazine school. This will of course not be shown on a dyno because they take the RPM signal and roller speed to correct down to a 1:1 ratio to get a clean measurement."

    important part, i guess.

    the torque shown in this thread is not indicative of what is actually seen at the wheels... unless this dyno in particular doesn't work like that, and shows what is actually seen at the wheels in gear?... considering that 631wtq is about as high as it gets anyway, i'm guessing not.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    the torque shown in this thread is not indicative of what is actually seen at the wheels...
    Exactly and this is why so many of the N54 guys who talk about "OMG so much torque" are complete retards. Not referring to the torque this particular car is making I'm saying generally.

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    Torque and power are referenced at peak usually which just really tells you want the power curve looks like. Obviously the torque to the wheels changes via gearing... that is what gears do. I wouldn't o with a 2.56 personally sine the ratios will be way too long for most realistic use, but that's just me.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    I wouldn't o with a 2.56 personally sine the ratios will be way too long for most realistic use, but that's just me.
    It serves a purpose though lower the torque while extending it over a longer MPH range. Making it easier to put down and eliminating as frequent of shifting and also holding more torque on average over a longer span.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It serves a purpose though lower the torque while extending it over a longer MPH range. Making it easier to put down and eliminating as frequent of shifting and also holding more torque on average over a longer span.
    The benefit is in less shifts really.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
    The benefit is in less shifts really.
    Not just that like I said more average torque over a broader speed range. Once the shorter gear set shifts the longer gear set now has more torque.

    I'm just going to prove this in practice by going to longer gears and testing it on the track.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Not just that like I said more average torque over a broader speed range. Once the shorter gear set shifts the longer gear set now has more torque.

    I'm just going to prove this in practice by going to longer gears and testing it on the track.
    My thought is that longer gearing would be more beneficial on the strip (and smoother on the street) but less so on the track?

    i mean, it has to be a balance, super short gears suck, and so would super long gears


    but i can't really see a 2.56fd going around a track faster than a 3.x

    you may get a broader in gear torque/speed spread, but the wheels see less.. a LOT less.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Exactly and this is why so many of the N54 guys who talk about "OMG so much torque" are complete retards. Not referring to the torque this particular car is making I'm saying generally.
    Awww...don't be mad that this car makes more torque than the godly S65, you'll still have eleventy billion WHP to go with that 450wtq...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DefactoM6 Click here to enlarge
    Awww...don't be mad that this car makes more torque than the godly S65, you'll still have eleventy billion WHP to go with that 450wtq...
    You do a perfect job as an example of retard as applied in my comment.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    My thought is that longer gearing would be more beneficial on the strip (and smoother on the street) but less so on the track?
    For the most part, yes. Depends on the track but usually you will want tighter spacing for the speeds you will be at on the roadcourse.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    you may get a broader in gear torque/speed spread, but the wheels see less.. a LOT less.
    If you calculate the math out the wheels will only see less at certain speeds but more at certain speeds.

    Shorter gears for example will have more torque until the 1st to 2nd shift. So once in 2nd the longer gears still in first will have more torque up until it shifts into second. This process then repeats itself but multiplication is greatest in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and then levels out pretty hard.

    See here, not an N54 but it applies as well:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You do a perfect job as an example of retard as applied in my comment.
    What's really retarded is bringing gearing into a discussion about dyno numbers. We're not talking about trans losses, which is why you run 1:1...or weight of the wheel/tire combo...these are dyno numbers. Just like your eleventy billion WHP.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    you may get a broader in gear torque/speed spread, but the wheels see less.. a LOT less.
    Here is what happens when you take the blue line, dct, from 3.15 final drive stock as in the previous graph to 3.62 as shown in this one. More torque, but for less MPH. I ran 3.62 gears, hurt trap:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DefactoM6 Click here to enlarge
    What's really retarded is bringing gearing into a discussion about dyno numbers.
    OMG, wow, you seriously just said this? Gearing is a huge part as you don't race on the dyno and secondly others were asking about how his longer gears apply. Obviously you are more concerned with irrelevant comments and and attempting to be negative.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DefactoM6 Click here to enlarge
    We're not talking about trans losses, which is why you run 1:1...or weight of the wheel/tire combo...these are dyno numbers. Just like your eleventy billion WHP.
    You're honestly just plain stupid and messing up the thread. Since you obviously aren't grasping the topic move along so other people can discuss it. Not going to tell you again.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    OMG, wow, you seriously just said this? Gearing is a huge part as you don't race on the dyno and secondly others were asking about how his longer gears apply. Obviously you are more concerned with irrelevant comments and and attempting to be negative.
    You're honestly just stupid and messing up the thread. Since you obviously aren't grasping the topic move along so other people can discuss it. Not going to tell you again.
    Again, resorting to personal attacks without actually addressing the issue. Real mature. I'm not denying the fact that gearing plays a huge role in RACING. Dzenno, however, did not race...he spun some rollers on a DYNO. Which correct for things like gearing, since that amount of torque is obviously not what is actually seen at the wheels in ANY gear. Read what I actually said before you get all fired up.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DefactoM6 Click here to enlarge
    Again, resorting to personal attacks without actually addressing the issue. Real mature. I'm not denying the fact that gearing plays a huge role in RACING. Dzenno, however, did not race...he spun some rollers on a DYNO. Which correct for things like gearing, since that amount of torque is obviously not what is actually seen at the wheels in ANY gear. Read what I actually said before you get all fired up.
    No you coming in here with a negative tone designed to put down the motor you know I have was a veiled personal attack and immature. I don't have time for this and secondly this is taking the discussion off topic so I'm removing you from the thread.

    You said it's retarded to bring gearing into a discussion about dyno numbers when first of all, as you just stated gearing plays a huge role, and secondly users asked about how his longer gearing plays into this.

    Anyway, since I have seen your posting pattern as of late I'm not going to waste a good thread sitting here tutoring you and allowing you to crap all over it. Back on topic and you won't be posting any longer in this thread.

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