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    Shift Sector Race

    Hey guys,

    Just got back from the Shift Sector runway race. All told it was around a 7 hour drive round trip including a snow storm (!) Friday night going over the pass. Only had a few hrs of sleep last night. So I'm fairly exhausted.

    The event didn't quite turn in to the FFTEC vs. RB turbo shoot out we were all expecting. Apparently they wanted to use today to tune the cars and tomorrow to race them. So I didn't race any single turbo cars and I don't think any of the other RB cars there today did either.

    The FFTEC guys and their customers were great and Shiv was a gentlemen as usual. Although he voiced his displeasure at me asking his customers to race. Not that I was expecting to beat anyone but as I told him when am I going to see 7 single turbo cars in the same spot again? He asked me to come back Sunday to race but that didn't work for my family & schedule.

    Other than that I had a great time. I ran the 135 in 500rw trim and it did very well. It was running around 160mph at the cones and did a best of 7.8 60-130 on the VBOX on an incline. It was fender to fender with Eric's tuned E63 (580rw), and put a few cars on Longboarder's supercharged DCT M3 (~560rw IIRC).

    After the morning runs 5th gear started acting up again so I lowered the additive from 80 to 70 to reduce the power a bit. It helped for a run but then finally let go on my last run. "Sick335" who also has RBs also lost 5th gear. So it appears this may become a trend for those running these power levels. I'll start troubleshooting it. David was there in his manual trans RB car and was hauling ass all day. Overall I think the RBs did very well.

    The only other N54 I was personally able to race was Wedge's who came all the way down from Oregon for the event. FFTEC told me he put out 500rw on the dyno with stock turbos. It sounded a bit high to me but it seemed to be something they were keeping under wraps so I didn't ask too many questions.

    Our first run we were not able to coordinate the start. I got up to 50mph at the cones, but he was a few cars behind, so I slowed down, then he went, then I went, then I think he slowed down, so I slowed down, and then next thing I knew I wound up a couple cars behind having to chase him down. The next race we had the same problem only I just left when I got to the cones with him maybe a car behind. Second race I just let the trans shift itself at redline hoping it would hold 5th but at around 140mph 5th gear finally let go so I just coasted through the cones. I didn't see how far back he was. By then it was 3:30pm and they closed the lanes for the "top dog" races, so I headed home.

    Will post up some logs, etc, when I can. I see I have 58 emails awaiting me so I'll get to work on those in the AM.
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    Is this what has occasionally happened to me at the drag strip..
    twice since i got in the 11s ive shifted into 4th at 6100rpm or so and it jumped back to 3rd and redlined out b4 auto shifting into 4th again...
    Sucked lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
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    Is this what has occasionally happened to me at the drag strip..?
    twice since i got in the 11s ive shifted into 4th at 6100rpm or so and it jumped back to 3rd and redlined out b4 auto shifting into 4th again...
    Sucked lol
    bump? lol
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ak335i Click here to enlarge
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    Is this what has occasionally happened to me at the drag strip..
    twice since i got in the 11s ive shifted into 4th at 6100rpm or so and it jumped back to 3rd and redlined out b4 auto shifting into 4th again...
    Sucked lol
    No I don't think so. What happens is once in 5th gear under full load the transmission randomly unloads. It's not clear if its the clutches or torque converter unlocking. But when it happens RPM jumps through the roof (scary!) and bad things ensue. Since so few automatics run these power levels up to 160mph I don't have much data on the problem other than it was happening to one of my customers all day. And then started suddenly happening to me. This is different than my normal 2nd and 4th gear trans slippage. This log was against a really fast turbo E36 IIRC. We were neck and neck before I cut out but he apparently had a secret over boost mode he was waiting to use if I creeped. Click here to enlarge

    Also interestingly I was using VP109 yesterday instead of my usual E60 and my advance actually was much worse. Ethanol FTW.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
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    No I don't think so. What happens is once in 5th gear under full load the transmission randomly unloads. It's not clear if its the clutches or torque converter unlocking. But when it happens RPM jumps through the roof (scary!) and bad things ensue. Since so few automatics run these power levels up to 160mph I don't have much data on the problem other than it was happening to one of my customers all day. And then started suddenly happening to me. This is different than my normal 2nd and 4th gear trans slippage. This log was against a really fast turbo E36 IIRC. We were neck and neck before I cut out but he apparently had a secret over boost mode he was waiting to use if I creeped. Click here to enlarge

    Also interestingly I was using VP109 yesterday instead of my usual E60 and my advance actually was much worse. Ethanol FTW.
    Interesting on the fuel.. I see better timing with E45 vs 100 unleaded (similar but scaled down comparison) So i have an occasional 4th gear slippage.. its rare so do i just live with it? the two times it happened i ran 12.19 and 12.15 vs 11.8/11.9 and lost a mph or 2.
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    Awesome!! 500whp on stock turbos.... hmmmmmmm. Jam a ton of meth in preturbo with FBO and upgraded 3 bar... MAYBE. Not for long I'd think. Theres always N2O as an alternative.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rudypoochris Click here to enlarge
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    Awesome!! 500whp on stock turbos.... hmmmmmmm. Jam a ton of meth in preturbo with FBO and upgraded 3 bar... MAYBE. Not for long I'd think. Theres always N2O as an alternative.
    It seemed to run well and the owner was a legitimately cool guy. Based on how it was running I'd guess it's making 450-460rw.
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    Well, almost. So you run lots of Ethanol, shoot meth post turbo with FBO and lots of timing and you make really big numbers.

    I actually want to try pre-turbo injection on the stock turbos, but with water. I've read it can increase the efficancy of the turbo as much as 15%. Anything to make a few more power.

    Edit- Don't need a 3.5bar unless you're over 21psi. I only peak at 21...

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    Awesome!! 500whp on stock turbos.... hmmmmmmm. Jam a ton of meth in preturbo with FBO and upgraded 3 bar... MAYBE. Not for long I'd think. Theres always N2O as an alternative.
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    Interesting, in the thread about shift sector, On the " other forum" , people are already saying a flex fuel Vishnu car can keep up with a RB car .... talking about your race Terry

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
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    Interesting, in the thread about shift sector, On the " other forum" , people are already saying a flex fuel Vishnu car can keep up with a RB car .... talking about your race Terry
    Feel free to copy my above comments over there. I've posted dynos on a 90, 80, & 70 additive so it's not much of a secret on what our 135i is putting down. If they think a stock turbo flex fuel car can match my 7.4 60-130mph and 131mph trap on a VBOX then it should be easy to go out tonight and prove it. There are lots of nice long flat roads out there and perfect weather. I enjoyed a few of those roads on the way home tonight while on the race gas. Click here to enlarge
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    Vishnu fanboys spewing propaganda already. That forum sucks. It's too bad too because I know some really cool procede guys. A few ruin the rep of all of them.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
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    Vishnu fanboys spewing propaganda already. That forum sucks. It's too bad too because I know some really cool procede guys. A few ruin the rep of all of them.
    The same can be said about any other tune/tuner and their following.
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    To an extent yes. To me it's like if you're a republican you watch Fox News because of their right biased reporting. If you're a democrat you watch CNN because of their left biased reporting.

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    The same can be said about any other tune and their following.
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    Heh really? Well, I think they might be setting themselves up for disappointment. My 135i ran 125mph with stock turbos and would consistently go 122-123mph. Same as their flex fuel cars run stock turbos. I've done 131mph VBOX with the RBs. I think Wedge is running fast for whatever it has but in my experience RB turbos are worth a good 50-60 over OEM turbos all else being equal. He told me he's run 118mph at the track. I didn't have much problem passing him by on the 70 additive on the first run but for stock turbos I think he was running on pace with what my 135 used to run stock turbos. The second run I used a 65 additive. So about 475rw and was not really paying attention to him but he was definitely behind...

    All the guys were fairly cool, even SIKH. I think maybe some of them were a little disappointed they didn't get to do much with their cars today so are just talking up whatever they can.
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    I can't wait to see some vids from the races.
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    Shiv posted that the last run between you two was "interesting" as well....honestly I'm not going to get into the bull$#@! that goes on over there , if they think a flex fuel stock turbo car can keep up with a RB car then they are idiots... Someone else can copy and paste if they are bored lol

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    An RB car, especially one that is lighter, should win... but Bob were you there or are your comments about people being idiots based purely on speculation? I'd like to see how close it all was, even if it was only kind of close it would be very impressive in my opinion. But that's just me. Can't wait for the videos.
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    An RB car, especially one that is lighter, should win... but Bob were you there or are your comments purely speculation? I'd like to see how close it all was, even if it was only kind of close it would be very impressive in my opinion. But that's just me. Can't wait for the videos.
    I wasn't there, and my comments are purely speculation, but common sense would tell you a stock turbo e85 car doesn't put down the same numbers as a RB equipped meth car, maybe it does, but I haven't seen one do it yet....so thats why I made that comment

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    This may be a little out there.. But is it possible that Wedge's car did have some some upgraded OEM turbos and isn't telling the public. Would seem like a strategy to make BMS look bad

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    Sorry, nice try.... Stock turbos with VRSF DPs and stock cat back exhaust.

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    This may be a little out there.. But is it possible that Wedge's car did have some some upgraded OEM turbos and isn't telling the public. Would seem like a strategy to make BMS look bad

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wedge1967 Click here to enlarge
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    Sorry, nice try.... Stock turbos with VRSF DPs and stock cat back exhaust.
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    Good to see you here man! Awesome runs, @cwarren and I are looking forward to look over those videos when you get back here.

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    Okay, I only wondered because 500whp seems a little unrealistic on stock turbos

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    I know Wedge personally, lying and playing tricks are not his style...
    Maybe its a high reading Mustang dyno, just trying to make sense of those numbers

    *Also I'm not trying to take anything away from Wedge.. congrats Wedge sounds like your car is really healthy

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    He actually made 420whp on the mustang dyno. Which is still pretty impressive for stock turbos. Running 100% E85 and meth, he can go pretty aggressive on the tuning end.

    But you're right, 500rw on a mustang is unreal for stock turbos so I see why you had doubts Click here to enlarge

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    Okay, I only wondered because 500whp seems a little unrealistic on stock turbos



    Maybe its a high reading Mustang dyno, just trying to make sense of those numbers

    *Also I'm not trying to take anything away from Wedge.. congrats Wedge sounds like your car is really healthy
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