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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    your sipping that good $#@!...didnt even realize the M3 DIDNT win...i thought it did....he just beat bob lutz thats all...john heinricy beat them all...the time speak for themselves sticky...BONE STOCK CARS.....concede


    monticello track results
    1. Cadillac CTS-V (John Heinricy): 2:46:560
    2. Cadillac CTS-V (Brian Redman): 2:49:183
    3. Cadillac CTS-V (Aaron Link): 2:48:902
    4. BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424
    5. Cadillac CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153
    6. Cadillac CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026
    7. Cadillac CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321
    8. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (Wes Siler): 3:08.126
    9. BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989
    10. Cadillac CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292
    11. Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702
    12. Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670
    If you are getting this angry maybe we should end the discussion.

    You really think the CTS-V is as capable around a road course as a lighter car with a high revving NA V8 and a dual clutch trans? Really? Come on now. Relax.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    As I said straight line is your only refuge due to the V not being as solid of an all around performance car and due to the weight disparity the m3 doesn't even give up much in stock form. The m3 is a far better all around car especially with its road course prowess in comparison. The V handles decent for a boat don't get me wrong.

    Obviouslt the V is cheaper to mod, nothing new. But an m3 with forced induction craps on a stock or bolt on V for that matter. With an upgraded blower you are trapping a few mph more than an m3 with high compression and low boost right?
    and no it wont crap on a bolton V....its gonna take a 625+kit to beat a bolton V...you can get within 75whp of me with the right boltons and a tune...im just SUPER conservative on my tune
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    If you are getting this angry maybe we should end the discussion.

    You really think the CTS-V is as capable around a road course as a lighter car with a high revving NA V8 and a dual clutch trans? Really? Come on now. Relax.
    so those 7 Vs that went around a track must be unicorns themselves and dont exist....
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    so those 7 Vs that went around a track must be unicorns themselves and dont exist....
    I think you are attempting to hand pick results from a track GM tested on to skew the results. Your CTS-V isn't anywhere near as capable on a roadcourse as an M3, please don't delude yourself. You have times ranging by 28 seconds for the CTS-V. So what, one CTS-V is super fast and another isn't? Clearly a wide spread there which indicates large changes.

    The M3 time on there is ahead of 4 CTS-V's on that list lol.

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    the M3 is very impressive sticky...i see the S65 EVERYDAY I walk into ACM......i know how powerful they are...i drove a dct 650 kit myself....its FAST....i do not deny it....never did...but i dont think you realize how well that 4300+lb V can handle itself on the strip AND on the road course....the strip times, the ring times and course times are both faster than the M3
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    the M3 is very impressive sticky...i see the S65 EVERYDAY I walk into ACM......i know how powerful they are...i drove a dct 650 kit myself....its FAST....i do not deny it....never did...but i dont think you realize how well that 4300+lb V can handle itself on the strip AND on the road course....the strip times, the ring times and course times are both faster than the M3
    I'm not even talking down on the CTS-V I'm putting the M3 in context since so many of you like to hate on it all the time.

    The M3 has hit 7:4X on the ring and the previous generation did a 7:50. Both faster than the CTS-V and the tighter the course the more trouble the CTS-V will have since it is only making up time on the ring by virtue of its power.

    Please don't continue with this my CTS-V can handle like an M3 nonsense.

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    Virginia intl raceway results:

    31. Cadillac CTS-V 3:04.00 '09 564 / 1980
    39. BMW M3 3:05.40 '07 420 / 1580
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    I'm not even talking down on the CTS-V I'm putting the M3 in context since so many of you like to hate on it all the time.

    The M3 has hit 7:4X on the ring and the previous generation did a 7:50. Both faster than the CTS-V and the tighter the course the more trouble the CTS-V will have since it is only making up time on the ring by virtue of its power.

    Please don't continue with this my CTS-V can handle like an M3 nonsense.

    those are bone stock M3s sticky....they are different versions...ill point them out
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    ring times
    7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008 General Motors conducted test,[55] video confirmed[56]
    8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[60]
    once again....a bone stock M3 CANNOT beat the V...it took the GTS to do it
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    those are bone stock M3s sticky....they are different versions...ill point them out
    Those are bone stock not sure what you are talking about.

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    laguna seca...less than 1 sec disparity....my V sucks on a road course my ass....

    33. BMW M3 1:42.96 126 '07 420 / 1580
    38. Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.90 125 '09 564 / 1980
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    once again....a bone stock M3 CANNOT beat the V...it took the GTS to do it
    That was a manual M3 Sport Auto tested and also Sport Auto uses a different configuration for the Track than OEM's testing.

    Once again, the CTS-V is not as capable of a road course vehicle as the M3 unless you think the laws of physics somehow don't apply to your car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Those are bone stock not sure what you are talking about.

    the m3 and the m3 GTS are different cars sticky....im saying bone stock e92 m3 vs cts v not an m3 GTS or a cts vr
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    laguna seca...less than 1 sec disparity....my V sucks on a road course my ass....

    33. BMW M3 1:42.96 126 '07 420 / 1580
    38. Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.90 125 '09 564 / 1980
    So you're showing the M3 lapping faster now? Wow this just gets better and better.

    Not saying your car sucks on the road course, I'm saying the M3 is a better choice for the road course. Because it is.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    the m3 and the m3 GTS are different cars sticky....im saying bone stock e92 m3 vs cts v not an m3 GTS or a cts vr
    That M3 GTS was bone stock. That means stock M3's have lapped faster doesn't it? Even the E46 M3 lapped faster. And that's on a power course like the ring.

    Look, arguing against the M3's road course prowess versus your CTS-V is a lost cause.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    That was a manual M3 Sport Auto tested and also Sport Auto uses a different configuration for the Track than OEM's testing.

    Once again, the CTS-V is not as capable of a road course vehicle as the M3 unless you think the laws of physics somehow don't apply to your car.

    o god...whatever dude...fix your $#@!ing car....ill be waiting for you when you get here....youll have the pleasure of meeting me first...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    o god...whatever dude...fix your $#@!ing car....ill be waiting for you when you get here....youll have the pleasure of meeting me first...
    You're so angry dude lol. I like your car, relax.

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    Thread fail, you guys need a new hobby.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by amclint Click here to enlarge
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    Thread fail, you guys need a new hobby.
    Or just a forum dedicated to M3 versus whatever.

    It's ok, no hard feelings. Don't want ultimateendz losing his temper over forum posts online and then trying to take it out on me in person lol.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    ring times
    7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008 General Motors conducted test,[55] video confirmed[56]
    8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[60]
    once again....a bone stock M3 CANNOT beat the V...it took the GTS to do it
    The V's that were driven in the ring were not stock bro.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
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    The V's that were driven in the ring were not stock bro.
    Although this particular prototype is supposed to be completely unmodified to lay claim to the fastest lap time in a production sedan, the engineers were forced to make a couple of minor modifications for safety reasons. A harness bar for a 6-way racing safety belt system and there was also a fire supression unit on board which are only going to add weight to the car and did nothing to enhance performance.
    good enough....all that did was add weight
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    good enough....all that did was add weight
    Not to burst your bubble or anything but you conveniently left a couple things out Click here to enlarge

    As I said in the first paragraph, the Cadillac CTS-V went out on the Nürburgring and did a 7:59; quite a good time for a car weighing more than 4000 lbs and being a sedan. Now, Caddy lovers enjoy touting this as the end-all-be-all of ‘Ring lap times. Why? Because it’s faster than the E60 BMW M5 at 8:13 and the E92 M3 at 8:05. Here’s where they’re wrong to cry “win”. John Heinricy, a professional racing driver, as well as the father of the Cadillac V cars, went out and set that lap in a non-showroom stock car with a roll cage and the supercharger tuned specifically for the higher elevation of the Nürburgring, and the suspension was tuned especially for the hard corners.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ultimateendz Click here to enlarge
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    good enough....all that did was add weight
    Plus more ponies and grip.

    And the biggest issue here is that the cars weren't driven by the same driver. Maybe the V could do a better job if Horst von Saurma was behind the wheel, maybe not. But the point is as they are different drivers, comparing these two lap times isn't a good way to compare two cars. Click here to enlarge

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    Ok so i cant use the ring times...no biggie....still wanna dispute laguna seca and VIR?
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

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    All im saying is that the V is not bad on a road course....and not getting "whooped" like sticky says
    "We need to upgrade your skill before we upgrade your horsepower"

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