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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    It has a regulator in the other tank. And duty cycle to the pump is run via a management unit based on low fuel pressure. So theoretically anyway it should all work out just fine. Worst case would be getting the JB4 involved in the pump PWM but I doubt that will be required.
    What voltage is the stock supply? 13.5V? This pump can do 355LPH at 70psi with 13.5 volts.

    This is cheapest with install kit on Ebay:

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    Current draw is pretty high. Better make sure the fuse/wiring can handle the additional ~50% load.

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    I've been trying to rig one of these bad boys up, 7GPM should be plenty Click here to enlarge
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    so if this works, this should pretty much completely solve fuelling problems (at lest for now?) ?

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    This along with our flash should cover all our bases. I'm hoping this in tank works out as having a single larger pump in tank is always preferred to an inline booster and the extra noise, wiring, leak potential, etc, that go with them.
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    T what kind of gains do you think we're looking at with 100% e85 on RBs with meth over your most recent dyno?
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    Not much. Although the power might be more stable during high speed runs, etc.
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    With the G5, flash and upgraded lpfp do you think the engine can hold up with 100% e85 in a half mile event or do you think race gas would be needed at those speeds?
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    So has anyone tried a line upgrade yet? Terry id try finding the thread pitch on the HPFP, ditch the banjo bolt on the line and make a -6 A/N from tank to pump...and find a way to add the OEM fuel sensor to it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    With the G5, flash and upgraded lpfp do you think the engine can hold up with 100% e85 in a half mile event or do you think race gas would be needed at those speeds?
    I think 100% E85 will hold up well in a half mile. At least, I hope to find out soon. Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
    So has anyone tried a line upgrade yet? Terry id try finding the thread pitch on the HPFP, ditch the banjo bolt on the line and make a -6 A/N from tank to pump...and find a way to add the OEM fuel sensor to it.
    Yes if this doesn't work out up next is a new regulator, and if that doesn't work then it may come to a new feed line.
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    nice find hope it works out Terry

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    Where is the regulator located?

    I would imagine 100% E85 will get you a little more than 50% simply due to the added energy per air mass. I thought someone ran the calculations and found E85 produces ~5% more power than gasoline for the same amount of air. This doesn't sound like much, but on 500HP 91 only that would still be another 25hp.

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    This plus some tasteful line upgrades here and there should fix alot on the LPFP side of things.

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    we will see how this works in the event
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Yes if this doesn't work out up next is a new regulator, and if that doesn't work then it may come to a new feed line.
    Whats the diameter of the oem line? 70psi should be more than adequate for some serious fueling.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    100% e85 baby! I can't wait to see an RB 100% e85 + meth dyno! Should be sick!
    Not so fast. We still don't know what pure E85 will do to the injectors.
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    Shiv has cars running 100% e85 already. I'm willing to test it out. I'll have a few extra injectors here in a couple days Click here to enlarge
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    In the event that this pump is overkill in this application or draws too much current etc., there is another option which is a Deatschwerks 320 LPH pump (DW300) which is ethanol compatible that could be tested. Aeromotive also has a 340 LPH pump, but there are a few warnings listed for that one for ethanol service.

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    Here is some interesting information regarding the use of these types of aftermarket pumps in a returnless fuel system from Aeromotive. The webpage can be seen here:

    http://aeromotiveinc.com/tech-help/f...th-fuel-pumps/

    6.) Q: My car was manufactured after 1999 and came equipped with a “return-less” fuel system, will the 340 Stealth Pump work with factory fuel systems like this?
    A: The Aeromotive Stealth 340 Pump is typically not listed as compatible with OEM returnless fuel systems, for good reason. The advent of the “returnless” fuel system, introduced by the OEM for passenger cars in 1999, was created in response to new, more stringent EPA, EEC (evaporative emissions control) regulations which took effect in that year. That a system would be classified as “returnless” does not necessarily mean that it does not have a bypass style regulator, only that the regulator is before the engine, perhaps on the frame rail or even in the tank. In fact even the most sophisticated “returnless” systems from Ford Motor Company, where the speed of the pump is extensively varied to control pressure, have integral bypass mechanisms that promote flow through the pump’s electric motor for cooling purposes.
    What is most important to understand is that today’s “returnless” systems are extensively engineered as a system and very finely balanced, including intricate confinement reservoirs in which the pump is fitted, siphon-jet pumps that are used to transfer fuel within the tank(s) and into the reservoir (and which are often fed from special ports in the OEM pump), integral remote regulators in the tank or reservoir and sophisticated electronics, all of which must work together to provide fuel tank level, fuel pump flow, and pressure, necessary to meet the factory engine’s torque and horsepower production. Of course, all of these fuel system components are engineered around the OEM pump and its flow, pressure and current draw characteristics.
    Installation of a fuel pump like the 340 Stealth into today’s “returnless” systems, when you consider that it flows 2-3 times as much volume, draws 2-3 times as much current and is not necessarily the exact size and configuration of the pump it replaces, will very probably throw the OEM fuel system substantially out of balance, and if run for any length of time, may very well damage either the fuel system components or the 340 Stealth Pump itself.
    Modifications can be made to the OEM “returnless” fuel system, to the various hydraulic components and electrical supply, to incorporate such a 340 Stealth Pump, and it has been done successfully and with amazing results, BUT, it truly requires re-engineering much of the OEM fuel system components and controls, and is not something the average enthusiast will be capable of handling on their own. For this reason you won’t find recommendations for the 340 Stealth pump to be used in returnless fuel systems in Aeromotive’s application guide.
    7.) Q: My car has a “return-less” fuel system and uses a driver module to use “pulse modulation” to vary the speed of the pump, thereby controlling fuel system flow and pressure (common in, but not exclusive to, Ford vehicles including Mustangs 1999 to present). Can the 340 Stealth Pump be pulse modulated without damaging it?
    A: Much of the answer to this question can be found in 340 Stealth FAQ #6 with respect to the “returnless” part of this question, but with specific regard to the “pulse modulation” aspect, unlike most aftermarket in-tank style pumps, the Aeromotive 340 Stealth Pump is fully compatible with aggressive speed control strategies. One of the many features that make the 340 Stealth pump unique is the “turbine” style pumping mechanism. This type of pump is much more tolerant of the aggressive type of “Pulse Modulation” method of controlling pump speed, employed by the factory engineers, to create flow and control fuel pressure.
    Unlike positive displacement pumping mechanisms, “turbine” rotors are not radically affected by the inertial forces related to the aggressive starting and stopping that is caused by the low frequency pulse modulation needed to vary fuel pressure by up to 30 PSI. Aggressive pulse modulation can “cog” a conventional pumping mechanism to pieces by locking it up in both directions on a continuous basis. The Aeromotive Stealth 340 Pump features the same “turbine” style pumping mechanism used by many OEM’s in these same applications, providing potentially excellent reliability in a speed controlled fuel system which has been properly re-engineered to take advantage of the Stealth 340’s high-flow capabilities.



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    Yes the short answer is we'll need to see what if any PWM adjustments are required to keep the regulator in check. I'm hoping none at all.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Yes the short answer is we'll need to see what if any PWM adjustments are required to keep the regulator in check. I'm hoping none at all.
    Shouldn't be any issues if the pressure isn't exceeding 72.5psi
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