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    Ordered this pump yesterday. Should be a nice to have Click here to enlarge
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    It wouldn't let me rep you LOL. I'm hoping to see great results though!!!!! You still running the single CM14 nozzle?

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    I can't wait to get it on. My OEM LPFP is definately holding me back. My walboro will go on when my turbos go on 3 DEC. Hopefully Terry will identify any more issues with his testing. The HPFP still worries me on 100% e85 or e98 like T.

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    Is anybody looking into what needs to be done for the HPFP..?
    I know Terry has tried lowering fuel pressure to increase volume but IIRC that did not work out..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by boosted-M Click here to enlarge
    Is anybody looking into what needs to be done for the HPFP..?
    Not sure there are any options right now. I just read on VW boost that they "modified" their HPFP to make it more efficient. I'll try to find out exactly what they did to it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    It wouldn't let me rep you LOL. I'm hoping to see great results though!!!!! You still running the single CM14 nozzle?
    I'll turn it off for this testing but yes single CM14. Also dual M3s in the cones, that I can turn on or off using the nitrous settings in the JB4.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Ordered this pump yesterday. Should be a nice to have Click here to enlarge
    Sweet! How is your high and low fuel pressure looking during the 600wtq run? I've found meth *really* helps out augmenting the fueling on E85.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Sweet! How is your high and low fuel pressure looking during the 600wtq run? I've found meth *really* helps out augmenting the fueling on E85.
    Its a bit sketchy now that I've upped boost down lower to smooth that step in torque up all the way. Trims go to +34% for peak torque with a bit of added fuel scalar and HPFP pressure goes to just north of 1000psi in that 600wtq range. We'll see how things go with the new pump in place and I'll most likely be adding another 1.0mm nozzle into the mix as well as upping the FAV to the higher flowing one. In any case, one thing at a time though as its not critical. AFR in that range is still a nice and comfy 12.5 with no drama

    I'll be taking the HPFP that I pulled out back last year (latest part number) over to racetronix who do fuel pumps day in day out to see what they can pull off with it and possibly have it flow tested and compared to anything else similar.

    Just another thing on top of the other million things already on my plate these days
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
    Its a bit sketchy now that I've upped boost down lower to smooth that step in torque up all the way. Trims go to +34% for peak torque with a bit of added fuel scalar and HPFP pressure goes to just north of 1000psi in that 600wtq range. We'll see how things go with the new pump in place and I'll most likely be adding another 1.0mm nozzle into the mix as well as upping the FAV to the higher flowing one. In any case, one thing at a time though as its not critical. AFR in that range is still a nice and comfy 12.5 with no drama

    I'll be taking the HPFP that I pulled out back last year (latest part number) over to racetronix who do fuel pumps day in day out to see what they can pull off with it and possibly have it flow tested and compared to anything else similar.

    Just another thing on top of the other million things already on my plate these days
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    Loaded up on straight E98 today for a little testing. The good news is the low pressure pump is keeping up without an issue. The bad news is the high pressure pump isn't.

    For the test I kept fuel pressure mapping and AFR unchanged so I could have an apples to apples comparison on and off meth on the E98. We're all aware we can lean it out and remap high pressure a bit to allow more power all else being equal. But that was not the purpose of this testing.

    Without "meth" on E98 high fuel pressure took a dive at only 15psi @ 5000rpm.

    With "meth" on E98 at 21-22psi high fuel pressure held fairly well.

    By "meth" I'm injecting E98 using a CM14 + dual M3 nozzles in each cone filter.

    So this testing just reinforces what my E60 testing found. That at the moment something is limiting my high pressure pump.

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    I'm assuming you've set the appropriate fuel scalars?
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    Fuel trims are in check for both setups.
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    Good info, would like to see someone push 100% E85 on stock twins. Im thinking its "doable," especially with Meth to augment.
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    We have a few customers running E85 on stock twins. Some on the OEM pump and at least one on the Walbro. It's easier to fuel lower power levels especially if you don't mind running a lot leaner.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Good info, would like to see someone push 100% E85 on stock twins. Im thinking its "doable," especially with Meth to augment.
    There are quite a few stock turbo cars out there running 100% e85 both Procede and JB4 guys. I think someone tried it on Cobb ATR but I'm not sure how it went.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    There are quite a few stock turbo cars out there running 100% e85 both Procede and JB4 guys. I think someone tried it on Cobb ATR but I'm not sure how it went.
    I think it was @Dfv2 that tried it, but he had a scary lean issue. Pretty sure his LPFP wasnt up to the task.
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    HAHA, i know what's like. I don't run lean but my fuel pressure drops down to like 44 on e50 LOL! It's on it's last leg.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    I think it was @Dfv2 that tried it, but he had a scary lean issue. Pretty sure his LPFP wasnt up to the task.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by lulz_m3 Click here to enlarge
    Challenge: Can you make the settings for this based off source IP? I want to see those titties when i'm at home.
    That would just be too much work. It will be as simple as click to show or click to hide.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'll make it so you can ignore sigs you want to ignore. Not that anyone wants to ignore tits but people at work tend to be PC.
    on site issues, whenever i click the 'follow to quoted post' button, it opens the >> image in a new tab. I can't see a 'site feedback' forum, sorry for putting it here still :/

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
    on site issues, whenever i click the 'follow to quoted post' button, it opens the >> image in a new tab. I can't see a 'site feedback' forum, sorry for putting it here still :/
    Um the site feedback forum is right above OT...

    Explain to me what you mean by follow to quoted post?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Um the site feedback forum is right above OT...

    Explain to me what you mean by follow to quoted post?
    oop, my bad, i'll make a post there and show you Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Loaded up on straight E98 today for a little testing. The good news is the low pressure pump is keeping up without an issue. The bad news is the high pressure pump isn't.

    For the test I kept fuel pressure mapping and AFR unchanged so I could have an apples to apples comparison on and off meth on the E98. We're all aware we can lean it out and remap high pressure a bit to allow more power all else being equal. But that was not the purpose of this testing.

    Without "meth" on E98 high fuel pressure took a dive at only 15psi @ 5000rpm.

    With "meth" on E98 at 21-22psi high fuel pressure held fairly well.

    By "meth" I'm injecting E98 using a CM14 + dual M3 nozzles in each cone filter.

    So this testing just reinforces what my E60 testing found. That at the moment something is limiting my high pressure pump.

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    Terry, you are injecting E85 through the turbos using your meth kit? How do the IATs compare to if you did the same with meth? I was thinking about preturbo injection of E85 but am not really sure how beneficial it would be.

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    No I would never run E85 thorough a methanol kit. It's E98. Straight ethanol.
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    Have you measured the ID of the line from the LPFP to the HPFP and the sizecof the inlet on the HPFP side? Do we have sufficient diameter to carry enough fuel volume?
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    If the ID of the line from the LPFP to the HPFP isnt getting smaller, it should be ~8mm. This is around 1/4".

    Talking about the orange line:
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    From my pov it is the line which goes from the back to the front?!

    I know I saw a link to calculate this.
    But I couldnt find it even in my favourites :-/
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