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    I drive an MT, so maybe I can't relate well, but when driving spiritedly I rarely fall below 4k rpms. Pertaining to acceleration, its advantageous to shift the RB closer to 6.5k or even higher, so the rpm window will be the same. In this case the single is making more HP for longer than 500rpms. If you short shifted as LM kinda alluded to (at least that's how I took it), you'd loose even more ground. Anyway, I'd love to drive one and see if the speculation is accurate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    More power is more power even if only for a few hundred RPM but the real indicator is quantifiable on road performance. Like trap speeds or if those are not possible 60-130 times. What is this extra 100hp actually worth in terms of performance? Then based on that one can decide if its worth giving up the low end performance and dollars.
    It's the value factor I was trying to point out. I do want to see a 60-130 on a 6AT though. I don't think it will do nearly as well as the 6MT considering it's down about 100 whp and requires two shifts. Still SHOULD be faster than the best RBs can offer, but back to my original point, is it worth $8000?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    do tell us more about when your shifting your RB AT car..

    i think you meant to say, the single is busy catching up to the RB car.

    noone doubting its making more power at redline, but as shiv stated, its running 5-6 psi more boost. FOr whatever reason, noone tried running more boost through RB's yet. Once some people fill the void, it should be much more interesting.

    STill waiting on something other than Dyno #'s though..
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    Pertaining to acceleration, its advantageous to shift the RB closer to 6.5k or even higher, so the rpm window will be the same.
    What? You aren't always at 6.5k.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JoshBoody Click here to enlarge
    I drive an MT, so maybe I can't relate well, but when driving spiritedly I rarely fall below 4k rpms. Pertaining to acceleration, its advantageous to shift the RB closer to 6.5k or even higher, so the rpm window will be the same. In this case the single is making more HP for longer than 500rpms. If you short shifted as LM kinda alluded to (at least that's how I took it), you'd loose even more ground. Anyway, I'd love to drive one and see if the speculation is accurate.
    I drive a manual too... I also like the motor to respond down to 3000rpm since that is the speed its turning on the freeway. I don't want to switch gears every time I want more than 125hp. Never mind being out of boost range just scooting around town.

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    511 whp on 91 octance+Meth ... meh
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dr. G Click here to enlarge
    511 whp on 91 octance+Meth ... meh
    Really? Graph?
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    This is what he posted over at the other forums:

    FYI car put down 517.10/458.04 with just 91oct + Meth (STD) so my goal of reaching 500rwhp daily driver has been reached!! Click here to enlarge
    jb4+fbo+meth

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    So that offers what over the RB's on 91 + meth?
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    harsh comments. shiv did have a good point about transient response should be noticeably improved on the street between 58 and 62. pleas tell me he is atleast running the 6266 and not hte 6262 on his car

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    Running meth is not a daily driver IMHO.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    Running meth is not a daily driver IMHO.
    It depends on availability. I basically run it all the time because I can get it cheaper than gasoline, but most people can't. E85 blends should count as a daily driver setup.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    Running meth is not a daily driver IMHO.
    It's subjective.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's subjective.
    Nope. It's devil's stuff and tuners shouldn't rely on it to get proper and reliable power!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Nope. It's devil's stuff and tuners shouldn't rely on it to get proper and reliable power!
    Your opinion is no which... well, means it's subjective. Meth doesn't bother me on a daily and it doesn't bother others either.

    Whether a tuner is relying on it or not is a separate issue. I think Shiv needs the meth way more than he admits/downplays it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    Nope. It's devil's stuff and tuners shouldn't rely on it to get proper and reliable power!
    The "proper" way to get power is something different to everyone. I daily drive every single day with meth in my car. I know other cars that drive their cars every day all summer with a nitrous bottle in the car. All modding involves risk, so it just depends on what you are willing to risk doing to a daily. Meth with proper fail safes is ok on a daily to me though. It's only spraying when you're flooring it anyways.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Your opinion is no which... well, means it's subjective. Meth doesn't bother me on a daily and it doesn't bother others either.

    Whether a tuner is relying on it or not is a separate issue. I think Shiv needs the meth way more than he admits/downplays it.
    He has more or less admitted that the octane effect is needed with his setup to produce high hp numbers.

    Now wether that is only the case for his ST, or if there are other, better ways to get more power on this platform is beyond my limited knowledge as a customer.

    My feeling is that tuners don't walk the full path to get the most out of the N54 but chose the simple way: Meth is cheap, readily available, so why dig any further...
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    Meth is needed for a meth tube map. Meth is not needed for a pump gas tune map. Simple.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by enrita Click here to enlarge
    Running meth is not a daily driver IMHO.
    not 4 nozzles and 20 gallons per hour LOL

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    So is it true that Shiv is dumping all the boost between shifts on the AT to save the trans?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by themyst Click here to enlarge
    It's the value factor I was trying to point out. I do want to see a 60-130 on a 6AT though. I don't think it will do nearly as well as the 6MT considering it's down about 100 whp and requires two shifts. Still SHOULD be faster than the best RBs can offer, but back to my original point, is it worth $8000?
    With slightly taller than stock tires you can get a 60-130 in one shift if you wind out to redline. It's not ideal for stock turbo cars, but for large turbo cars should be quite an advantage.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    With slightly taller than stock tires you can get a 60-130 in one shift if you wind out to redline. It's not ideal for stock turbo cars, but for large turbo cars should be quite an advantage.
    The stock tire height shifts around 6800 or so, which equates to around 127 mph assuming 255/35/18

    That shift is the killer for us

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    He has more or less admitted that the octane effect is needed with his setup to produce high hp numbers.
    He has been talking more about cooling than the octane which is probably why we haven't seen MS109 or C16 only numbers.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    not 4 nozzles and 20 gallons per hour LOL
    dude, alot of people run 1200 cc/min....

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    If one chooses to run meth daily, then I guess that would be considered daily driver trim, so I have no problem with that.

    The fact that race gas was used on this dyno run makes it a not so daily driver setup so the numbers don't mean much to me.

    The # that I was looking for is the pump+meth and the results were 517whp/458wtq - an upgrade over stock, but I don't see myself putting down $8000 for this.
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