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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by prodigymb Click here to enlarge
    Here is a video of a 2.3L stock turbo evo beating both cars and the 600 car beating LM by 2 cars, also the view from the back is the first roll where LM gets the hit and 600 car passes him around 130-140mph. Its certainly not much faster then LM as they sit and it makes perfect sense he's running a 575 pulley and Meth and saved him self 5gs !! good call LM. hes down about 30whp which will not be a drastic difference in a roll race.ALSO Note : the 600 does have high flow cats, its not catless like LM.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69RUV81Pp8
    there she is! Been waiting for that video.Good call on the exhaust, I forgot he had high flow cats, ill update the video description, but can't change the video itself.I thought he didn't catch up until around 150, but I could be wrong, I can't see the vie too clearly.That EVO is pretty Damn fast, faster than I anticipated for sure.It's clear the 600 kit is faster/making more power. But racing is a detail oriented sport, and experience is huge factor.I'm just glad we can all have fun without the BS involved.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
    Great vids guys. Curious on the run against Akash, what MPH/RPM did the roll-on take place? The big takeaway is how the AA car pulls so hard instantaneously. I don't know much about the AA/HKS blower but it must be making a lot more mid-range boost if the run started at say, 4,500 rpm. It would be interesting to see a boost graph of that blower overlayed against a boost graph from the Vortech making similar top-end boost. I guess the real match is Akash vs an ESS 600/625/650 with meth making the same top end boost. That would be cool to see. Out here on the West Coast some of you will be attending the Shift-S3ctor Airstrip Event in November. I will be there with an ESS 600 + catless + progressive meth and I would love to run other supercharged M3's. We have mostly ESS and VF here but I'm sure there has to be an AA blown M3 in Cali.
    All the runs were a 3rd gear roll for all cars, from 40-50mph start.The ER roll on event is coming around here shortly, dates TBD, but all these cars, and many more are encouraged and welcome to attend. No ESS cars were present for the last one, but AA and Gintani were. Im sure that will change, and more will attend now

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    Thats a td05 9.8 hotside evo8 turbo? Umm. You sure its not a stock "frame" red or green. I think bolted stroked its still looking at 420awhp no? Ive done a few.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Thats a td05 9.8 hotside evo8 turbo? Umm. You sure its not a stock "frame" red or green. I think bolted stroked its still looking at 420awhp no? Ive done a few.
    i believe its 10.5 frame Evo 8 MR turbo. Stock for sure. Motor just got buitl so he has slowly been upping the power on it for break in period and sorting through other issues before slapping a large charger on it. yeah 420-440whp id say and good torque.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Andrew should definitely start up a new thread on here explaining the latest kits their offer.
    He can't do that here.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Here's a dyno that Andrew@ActiveAutowerke posted on another forum. Of their latest Stage 2 kit. It is running exactly the same spec as akh23456. It has the newer GTS5555 and I assume same boost.
    Interesting. I'm going to guess that isn't the same boost though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
    I love this thread and video. @akh23456 = beast!

    @Sticky you may remember we installed the new blower on Akash's car as soon as it was available (along with painting the manifold, brakes etc) No games, the unit really look the same (we thought we were sent the wrong unit -haha) but it obviously works Click here to enlarge
    Yes he made a thread on it but I don't think we saw a chart regarding the difference it made especially at the boost he is running it at.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by longboarder Click here to enlarge
    I will be there with an ESS 600 + catless + progressive meth and I would love to run other supercharged M3's.
    I'm trying to make it. Would be great if we could run.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
    Is a level 3 coming?

    It is very possible in the near future.

    Is a level 4 Coming?

    Its already here but is not forsale and requires a built engine. 700+ hp and more mid range than anyone else on the market can be expected.
    With what blowers? The HKS unit doesn't have much more headroom from the specs I have seen.

    Why is the Level 4 here but not for sale? Until I see a graph I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding more mid-range than anyone else on the market. Either way, would love to see some things from this Level 4. Maybe we could arrange a comparison between my car and this one which I'm sure everyone would love to see.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    This is what i'm talking about. No offense Andrew and i don't want to sound like a dick. I'm a huge AA fan but i want to be honest here. AA isn't like what it used to be. Nowadays AA seems like a normal tuner like ESS, VF and others whereas in older days, we used to see big things from it that nobody else had. I mean AA had big things like turbo kits, sc kits for almost all cars etc... where no body else had in that time.

    I want to see low comp S65 with a big SC from AA. I want to see a single turbo N54. I want to see SC'd S85 with big numbers. Hopefully you got my point.
    Again the only reason i'm saying this is just because i like AA. Now this stage 4 S65 is a huge step in the right direction. Big power is the way to go Click here to enlarge

    BTW one question. I know a S65 swapped E36 with a claimed AA kit. Do you know anything about this?
    Come on man, you don't make their business model.

    They never did a turbo "kit" for the E46 M3 they were one-off builds.

    The approach they are taking with their SC kits is the right one. Let others worry about N54 turbo upgrades. They can't just do big investments on multiple platforms to satisfy curiosity.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    Interesting to watch these runs and results... Its seems these kits are all over the place in terms of pulley diameters and results for meth vs. non meth. Or intercooled vs. meth and so on...
    Yes the specs will be all over the place. That is why everyone just needs to run at the best their setup can do.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    The pulley stuff gives me a headache. So confusing.
    lol i gotta agree with you for the other kits...I know i got a new pulley with 8555 blower and had the same pulley on my 8550 from day one.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Come on man, you don't make their business model.

    They never did a turbo "kit" for the E46 M3 they were one-off builds.

    The approach they are taking with their SC kits is the right one. Let others worry about N54 turbo upgrades. They can't just do big investments on multiple platforms to satisfy curiosity.
    You are right and i apologize. I went off my limits.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    You are right and i apologize. I went off my limits.
    I don't think you did anything wrong I just think the current economic climate dictates much stricter budgets.
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    Just to kind of throw this out in the field. I took a dyno posted by Omar when he worked for AA for the prior AA Stage2 with GTS5550 at 8psi. Then I took another dyno posted by Jean at VelosDesignwerks of a VT2-625 at 7.5psi. They were both dyno'd in Miami, FL. I am not sure if it was done at the same location or even the same conditions.

    What I did was use the handy dandy Photoshop, and I transformed each graph so that the X and Y axis and scaling lined up. Believe it or not, it actually lined up significantly better than I expected. I purposely left the right side of the image sloppy so you can see how I lined everything up.

    So take this photo for what it's worth. I did it just so we can visually see the differences between the two kits that seem most comparable without having any DRF files.

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    I know it's not the most scientific nor controlled comparison. But I specifically chose these dynos because of where they were conducted and the close levels of boost. Considering that Andrew@AA mentioned that the newer GTS5555 holds power better up top and may be good for 10hp or so, I would LOVE to see what a current out-of-the-box AA Stage 2 and ESS VT2-625 stack up on the dyno and track. No extra modifications to the standard offered kit. No funky tunes. No funky pulleys.

    Of course that would be in the ideal world, which is likely to not happen, haha.

    ORIGINAL DYNOS are property of Active Autowerke and Velos Designwerks respectively. If you want me to take down this photo, I will gladly do so. My intention was just to provide a visual representation of what is being discussed here, not to step on any ones toes.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Just to kind of throw this out in the field. I took a dyno posted by Omar when he worked for AA for the prior AA Stage2 with GTS5550 at 8psi. Then I took another dyno posted by Jean at VelosDesignwerks of a VT2-625 at 7.5psi. They were both dyno'd in Miami, FL. I am not sure if it was done at the same location or even the same conditions.

    What I did was use the handy dandy Photoshop, and I transformed each graph so that the X and Y axis and scaling lined up. Believe it or not, it actually lined up significantly better than I expected. I purposely left the right side of the image sloppy so you can see how I lined everything up.

    So take this photo for what it's worth. I did it just so we can visually see the differences between the two kits that seem most comparable without having any DRF files.

    I know it's not the most scientific nor controlled comparison. But I specifically chose these dynos because of where they were conducted and the close levels of boost. Considering that Andrew@AA mentioned that the newer GTS5555 holds power better up top and may be good for 10hp or so, I would LOVE to see what a current out-of-the-box AA Stage 2 and ESS VT2-625 stack up on the dyno and track. No extra modifications to the standard offered kit. No funky tunes. No funky pulleys.

    Of course that would be in the ideal world, which is likely to not happen, haha.

    ORIGINAL DYNOS are property of Active Autowerke and Velos Designwerks respectively. If you want me to take down this photo, I will gladly do so. My intention was just to provide a visual representation of what is being discussed here, not to step on any ones toes.

    Thanks! That looks damn good actually. I thought I saw an overlay by PG with this before since he is the "Dyno Master" (IIRC he used it with a different intent)
    But here, i think it relates perfectly to what we saw on the road

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    Just to kind of throw this out in the field. I took a dyno posted by Omar when he worked for AA for the prior AA Stage2 with GTS5550 at 8psi. Then I took another dyno posted by Jean at VelosDesignwerks of a VT2-625 at 7.5psi. They were both dyno'd in Miami, FL. I am not sure if it was done at the same location or even the same conditions.

    What I did was use the handy dandy Photoshop, and I transformed each graph so that the X and Y axis and scaling lined up. Believe it or not, it actually lined up significantly better than I expected. I purposely left the right side of the image sloppy so you can see how I lined everything up.

    So take this photo for what it's worth. I did it just so we can visually see the differences between the two kits that seem most comparable without having any DRF files.

    I know it's not the most scientific nor controlled comparison. But I specifically chose these dynos because of where they were conducted and the close levels of boost. Considering that Andrew@AA mentioned that the newer GTS5555 holds power better up top and may be good for 10hp or so, I would LOVE to see what a current out-of-the-box AA Stage 2 and ESS VT2-625 stack up on the dyno and track. No extra modifications to the standard offered kit. No funky tunes. No funky pulleys.

    Of course that would be in the ideal world, which is likely to not happen, haha.

    ORIGINAL DYNOS are property of Active Autowerke and Velos Designwerks respectively. If you want me to take down this photo, I will gladly do so. My intention was just to provide a visual representation of what is being discussed here, not to step on any ones toes.
    Interesting, so green is the HKS at 8 psi?

    Well done. Would you mind doing a cleaner one though just because? Or do you think you need the .drf files at this point?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Interesting, so green is the HKS at 8 psi?

    Well done. Would you mind doing a cleaner one though just because? Or do you think you need the .drf files at this point?

    drf files are like passwords, everyone has them, but noone wants to share..

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    I cleaned up the previous graph I photoshopped. In addition, I found another AA Stage 2 graph that seamed fair to compare with the same ESS VT2-625.

    All of these graphs were found publicly posted on various forums throughout the internet. They are property of Active Autowerke and Velos Designwerks respectively.

    I took the liberty of combining different graphs due to the lack of publicly shared .drf files. This was done by the use of Photoshop. These are by no means clear cut nor accurate comparison. My sole purpose is simply to provide a vague visual representation of the discussion of HKS GTS5550/GTS5555 supercharger potentially providing more midrange horsepower and torque than centrifugal Vortech V3si superchargers. It must be noted that both of these kits are supposedly 100% off-the-shelf. No upgraded pulleys or deviations from the publicly standard advertised kit. In addition, my understanding is that these AA Stage 2 kits are the older HKS GTS5550 supercharger that seems to be recently replaced by the HKS GTS5555. The difference between the two being that the newer variation may hold power better at the top end and possibly good for another 10hp and 5tq.

    As always, take this with a very fine grain of salt. Dyno comparisons can often be rather moot considering the extremely long list of debatable variances that all take effect on results. I encourage one to look at the bigger picture, looking at power delivery, weather conditions, etc. Every minute piece plays a big role in the end equation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by flipm3 Click here to enlarge
    discussion of HKS supercharger potentially providing more midrange horsepower and torque than centrifugal Vortech superchargers.
    I just want to clarify that we are not speaking about Vortech superchargers as a whole but of the V3si used by ESS in their kits. I think a Vortech T-Trim would provide a bit more meat, but there are different Vortech blowers and compressor maps.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I just want to clarify that we are not speaking about Vortech superchargers as a whole but of the V3si used by ESS in their kits. I think a Vortech T-Trim would provide a bit more meat, but there are different Vortech blowers and compressor maps.
    Good catch! I quickly edited the post to also clarify that point. Thanks!
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    Wowwww..... the AA manhandled the ESS in that 2nd graph. Be interesting if we could get the Gintani & VF620 numbers in there too
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
    Wowwww..... the AA manhandled the ESS in that 2nd graph. Be interesting if we could get the Gintani & VF620 numbers in there too
    I would love to see that too! The only reason I specifically chose these very few several graphs was because they seem to be the most fair comparison. Reasons being; the individuals who personally dyno'd and posted them now work for the same company which slightly reduces personal bias and the location of both being Miami which kind of levels the variance of weather conditions.

    Any other dynojet dynos out there would pose way too many variables that I'd rather not even think about. Dyno comparisons give headaches...that's a known medical fact Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I just want to clarify that we are not speaking about Vortech superchargers as a whole but of the V3si used by ESS in their kits. I think a Vortech T-Trim would provide a bit more meat, but there are different Vortech blowers and compressor maps.
    The differences between the V3-Si and the T trim are not that big. Talking 50cfm of flow and 50hp per Vortech. The V3 is pretty efficient
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
    The differences between the V3-Si and the T trim are not that big. Talking 50cfm of flow and 50hp per Vortech. The V3 is pretty efficient
    The T-trim can be overspun more and tends to work better towards the limit. It will outflow the V3.
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    Some1 said it earlier in the thread (think LM with the cats analogy), but getting all those comparable kits on the same dyno in the same conditions is (sadly) going to be near impossible.


    I'm just very excited to see the non-meth kits battle it out: VF650 vs Evolve
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