Close

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 34
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322


    Yes Reputation No

    Next generation BMW X1 will be front wheel drive and share its platform with the Mini Countryman

    BMW's acquisition of Mini has unquestionably done great things for the Mini brand. Is it doing the same thing for the BMW brand? Before Mini the thought of a front wheel drive BMW was so absurd it was not even entertained and mocked in advertisements. Times have changed and it is about profit above all else. BMW will clearly be saving money putting Mini and BMW models on the same platform. They are stretching their dollars and many will defend this as simply business.

    Well, the next generation Mini Countryman and the X1 will share the same platform. Jokes about the X1 being a rebadged Mini that can not be applied to the current X1 will be right on target with the next one. Essentially, the X1 will be moving downscale as will the BMW brand itself especially considering the X1 is expected to share the interior components of the Mini was well. Front wheel drive SUV's are the future. Yes, not the end of the world as there likely will be an all wheel drive option and this no doubt makes room in the lineup for an X2 which was already trademarked. Still seems weird to us that BMW is taking on characteristics from Mini and not the other way around.

    Click here to enlarge

    Source

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    6,245
    Rep Points
    6,792.4
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    68


    Yes Reputation No
    This is not a good development at all.
    Having just another bodyshell on top of a mini is not BMW worthy IMO.
    Let's just hope the ride experience will not suffer too much. A Mini is a good steering car, but alltogether not a BMW, not should it become one.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Having just another bodyshell on top of a mini is not BMW worthy IMO.
    I don't think so either.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,927
    Rep Points
    1,376.8
    Mentioned
    13 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    14


    Yes Reputation No
    This enables economies of scale and consequently the efficiency enables having better quality at lower cost. This is what customers and the markets want. In theory, BMW could stop listening the voice of the market, but that would not of the interest of either the market nor the shareholders.

    Why should countryman and X1 have a different platform anyway? Platform is not by any means a differentiating factor in the auto industry. It is all about branding. Some Mini owners would never buy BMW and vice versa. When you ask about the platform, they don't know, and couldn't care less. It is better to come up with one platform, that would be better than spending the same money on two separate platforms and not being able to reach the same quality due to scattering the efforts.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Some Mini owners would never buy BMW and vice versa. When you ask about the platform
    Some BMW owners will have a Mini without even knowing it. But, badge whores will be badge whores. Do we respect their opinion though?

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    286
    Rep Points
    291.7
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    3


    Yes Reputation No
    The Mini is a great car.

    I personally dont mind, hopefully though the new 1-series will not be as Fugly as the current one, and if it isn't I dont mind the FWD. Its all about cost savings, FWD is heaper to manufacture than a RWD car.

    Also,, I am pretty sure that the non BMW true fans, the corporate buyers (booring people) donīt even know that a BMW is RWD by nature.
    1995 BMW M3GT nr:111/350 TwinTurbo and some other mods.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    Its all about cost savings, FWD is heaper to manufacture than a RWD car.
    BMW never used to think about going to front wheel drive to save costs. They were all about making the best rear wheel drive cars. They MOCKED front wheel drive as not part of their philosophy.

    Does no one get what a BMW is supposed to be?

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,927
    Rep Points
    1,376.8
    Mentioned
    13 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    14


    Yes Reputation No
    Those were fun adds at the time and suited the BMW era of RWD only. I don't think people took them too seriously though. What BMW should offer, is the best cars, and deploy the best technology for all the various purposes. RWD, FWD, AWD have all their positives and negatives, and should be applied based on the meant and purposeful usage of the vehicle. If they would have stucked with "making the best rear wheel drive cars", we would not have had X5 or X6. I'm not a fan of either, but I'm sure they will add to the profits of BMW and enable more investments in R&D, which in turn benefits all the models, including those that I like in the model range.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    761
    Rep Points
    382.2
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    4


    Yes Reputation No
    @DavidV I was an owner of an 02 MCS with 200 whp(RENNtech Flash with M7Tuning crank pulley with a 15% Pulley, AMSOIL Micro Fiber intake and free flow exhaust), the car was great either it was MINI Original with BMW parts, but the famous 1.6 PRINCE engine was great and the transmission FLAWLESS, I had the car for 9 yrs and NEVER had engine or transmission problems, but the dreaded BELT tensioner(every 50 k) and the electric steering gone once, plus clutch changed at 100k in the 128k that I put in it. Now that it has a BMW engine I cannot say about it. Its has been known for awhile that the X1 was going to use the Countrymans platform in the Mini community and the DIESELS were supposed to come sooner or later, to dismiss the Mini is somewhat vague since I know you never owned one. I can attest to it I have owned both Mini and now 335d and love both of them as well.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    6,245
    Rep Points
    6,792.4
    Mentioned
    73 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    68


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
    to dismiss the Mini is somewhat vague since I know you never owned one
    Please don't get me wrong.
    I didn't intend to put Mini down in any way, it's merely that I can not find the merging of the two brands desirable.
    It is probably beneficial to the BMW group as a whole if they share this platform, but I protest to a FWD BMW in any shape or form, even an X1.
    Handling of Minis has always been top notch for a front wheel car, but I see the BMW brand going down a sliding slope if they start making FWD only cars.
    I did not know that the X1 was meant to go on a X1 platform. I just read this in the article. Really not enthusiastic about it...
    There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    761
    Rep Points
    382.2
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    4


    Yes Reputation No
    Yeah amigo no pun intended , this X1 was going to use the Minis platform for a while. But all that said BMW has DILUTED the M brand and next we will see the X1M, BTW the X1 is using the BMW brand of 4x4 drive thats what it is SUPPOSEDLY intended to be, correct me on this Click here to enlarge

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    905
    Rep Points
    795.7
    Mentioned
    113 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    0


    Yes Reputation No
    screw that, I might as well keep my countryman then

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    286
    Rep Points
    291.7
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    3


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    BMW never used to think about going to front wheel drive to save costs. They were all about making the best rear wheel drive cars. They MOCKED front wheel drive as not part of their philosophy.

    Does no one get what a BMW is supposed to be?
    I am pretty sure that BMW knows best what a BMW is. However, stepping into the "small car" market and the requirements become different. The wast majority, heck all other small cars are FWD, maybe the reason the 1 series has not sold as well as expeced are 2.
    1. It's too expensive compared to the competition (Audi A3 mainly, then the higher end Golfs) hence the FWD conversion to save money
    2. The people buying these cars might actually prefer FWD for the snow/ice capabilities. For people who know how to drive this is not the issue, but again the majority of car buyers have no particular interest in RWD handling capabilities. Its a commodity.

    Just look at Porsche. When they ventured into to Front/rear on the 928 people thought they were crazy, still the 928 lived a long and healty life. What they did next was beond any true Porsche lovers nightmare.. a SUV! and a DIESEL SUV.. and the sum of all Porsche fears.. the HYBRID SUV! Still... the majority of Porsche buyers are buing a status, many of them never drive their cars properly, and when they do they crash (Lindsey Lohan?). Even True Porsche nuts now love the SUV and the Panamera. I know a guy who has a CGT, 997GT3RS 4.0, GT2 a Carrera 4s Cabrio and the Cayenne Turbo. Guess what car he uses most of the time..
    Last edited by M3GTtt; 07-16-2012 at 11:09 AM. Reason: spelling error
    1995 BMW M3GT nr:111/350 TwinTurbo and some other mods.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Posts
    1,104
    Rep Points
    1,398.3
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    14


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    BMW never used to think about going to front wheel drive to save costs. They were all about making the best rear wheel drive cars. They MOCKED front wheel drive as not part of their philosophy.

    Does no one get what a BMW is supposed to be?
    This and the fake engine sound in the new M5 is to much to bear, I guess it is only Porsche left of the german auto makers, that is not making fwd's
    Click here to enlarge
    997.1 tt
    Kline 200cell exhaust
    997.2/GT2RS IC's
    Cobb E85 custom stage3 tune by Mitch
    ID1000 injectors
    Sachs stage 2.5 clutch

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Pretty sure I am in Mexico
    Posts
    925
    Rep Points
    930.8
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    10


    1 out of 1 members liked this post. Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    I am pretty sure that BMW knows best what a BMW is.
    LOL at this Click here to enlarge
    Never thought I would see the day...
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Life is so much more fun with a nemesis. I miss Shiv. Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlarge

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,927
    Rep Points
    1,376.8
    Mentioned
    13 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    14


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    This and the fake engine sound in the new M5 is to much to bear, I guess it is only Porsche left of the german auto makers, that is not making fwd's
    Porsche is just one of the marketing brands of Volkswagen group which is the worlds largest Fwd car manufacturer Click here to enlarge

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Those were fun adds at the time and suited the BMW era of RWD only. I don't think people took them too seriously though. What BMW should offer, is the best cars, and deploy the best technology for all the various purposes. RWD, FWD, AWD have all their positives and negatives, and should be applied based on the meant and purposeful usage of the vehicle. If they would have stucked with "making the best rear wheel drive cars", we would not have had X5 or X6. I'm not a fan of either, but I'm sure they will add to the profits of BMW and enable more investments in R&D, which in turn benefits all the models, including those that I like in the model range.
    How does creating a BMW based on a Mini make for the best car it could be?

    BMW has record sales and profits. We still don't get cars like the GTS in the USA, get crap like the 5 GT forced on us, and supercars get cancelled. Where is this money going? All to support the i brand?

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    I am pretty sure that BMW knows best what a BMW is.
    So they know a BMW is a front wheel drive car based on a Mini? They must have been confused when they said they don't do front wheel drive then. Seems to me BMW is a bit confused.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    The wast majority, heck all other small cars are FWD, maybe the reason the 1 series has not sold as well as expeced are 2.
    So isn't this what the Mini brand is for? What is the reason for the overlap? Let Mini be Mini and BMW be BMW.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    Just look at Porsche. When they ventured into to Front/rear on the 928 people thought they were crazy
    Completely different. The 928 was a premium car and still maintained rear wheel drive as many other Porsche models. I don't remember Porsche ever trying to beat cheap front wheel drives at their game.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Porsche is just one of the marketing brands of Volkswagen group which is the worlds largest Fwd car manufacturer Click here to enlarge
    Porsche only just now can be said to officially be a part of the VW Group.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    804
    Rep Points
    641.4
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    7


    Yes Reputation No
    The mini IS a BMW IMHO. Likewise, the new Rolls Royce IS a BMW and better than the original! : O

    The X1 doesn't appeal to me at all, but I'm seeing more and more goofy cars on the road, so obviously I don't get it. : )

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    The mini IS a BMW IMHO.
    How?

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    804
    Rep Points
    641.4
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    7


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How?
    My understanding is that BMW is solely responsible for the execution of the modern Mini.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    My understanding is that BMW is solely responsible for the execution of the modern Mini.
    Yes but it is a modern Mini not a modern BMW.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    804
    Rep Points
    641.4
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    7


    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes but it is a modern Mini not a modern BMW.
    I guess I just mean that it is a very high quality automobile. It's not as though they are taking a Toyota city car, re-badging it an Aston Martin, and doubling the price. ; )

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    119,478
    Rep Points
    32,154.9
    Mentioned
    2109 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    322



    Yes Reputation No
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    I guess I just mean that it is a very high quality automobile. It's not as though they are taking a Toyota city car, re-badging it an Aston Martin, and doubling the price. ; )
    True, it is high quality due to BMW's involvement. It isn't a BMW though.

    Heh yes but that is the best example of badge whoring I think I have ever seen.

    Stage 2 or 2.5 E9X M3 S65 V8 supercharger kit for sale
    : http://www.boostaddict.com/showthrea...r-kit-for-sale

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •