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    The mainstream finally starts to get it - Jalopnik writes article on the death of the BMW M brand

    BimmerBoost has really been the only site critical of BMW's latest moves. We are seeing a disturbing trend of the M brand being watered down with the badge thrown on everything in sight. We have seen M cars get bloated with weights spiraling out of control and electronics dominating the driving experience. BMW is losing comparison after comparison. It finally took the latest "special" edition M3 to get a major auto blog to call out BMW for the same thing we have already been saying. Jalopnik says BMW just launched a track edition M3 that offers no performance improvement over the standard car. Sound familiar?

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    BMW's Motorsport Brand has lost its soul, and will slowly fade into marketing mediocrity. A friend pointed out another company with a rich history in racing that abandoned its roots and went after the luxury auto market: Saab.

    Obviously, BMW wont go bankrupt anytime soon, but what happens when all the luxury buyers that fell in love with performance brand in the 1980's stop driving cars? I don't have that answer but three years ago I asked a marketing executive at BMW this exact question after he told me BMW was supporting Golf and Yachting.

    His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.'

    At least somebody is commenting on what we have been saying for some time now. Check out the full article here. And ladies and gentlemen, this is only the beginning. Slowly but surely others will start to see it. M is dead.



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    So sad and true...

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    A lot depends on the next M3. While I agree that the M brand has been somewhat diluted, and that the cars are generally "softer", I'm not sure it is a bad thing...yet. I think the next 2-3 years are really going to tell us where BMW will be as a company long term, and how much they will appeal to performance enthusiasts.

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    Jalopnik is the only mainstream publication that has the balls to say this publicly and this whi I respect them on many fronts. All of the magazine publications are a joke.

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    The new cars are bigger than their predecessors, which explains the latest weight increases. Having another perspective, going from say previous M6 to new M4 is not much different in internal dimensions, and the new M4 will weigh less than the old M6.

    The skidpads and slaloms are enhanced continuously.

    Previously the only way to get performance was to compromise the comfort heavily. Luckily it is not like that any more. Comfortable is nice and not a bad thing.

    M cars have been street vehicles all the time, so M has always been for Marketing. No change there.

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    I LOVE this response and I quote

    "His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.'" unquote.

    In other I dont care what can happen obviously I'll either be promoted or be gone, WHO CARES!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
    I LOVE this response and I quote

    "His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.'" unquote.

    In other I dont care what can happen obviously I'll either be promoted or be gone, WHO CARES!!
    This. People in the company dont give a $#@!.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    The new cars are bigger than their predecessors, which explains the latest weight increases. Having another perspective, going from say previous M6 to new M4 is not much different in internal dimensions, and the new M4 will weigh less than the old M6.

    The skidpads and slaloms are enhanced continuously.

    Previously the only way to get performance was to compromise the comfort heavily. Luckily it is not like that any more. Comfortable is nice and not a bad thing.

    M cars have been street vehicles all the time, so M has always been for Marketing. No change there.
    Porsche models are bigger yet lighter. It's more that BMW went cheap on the chassis material with steel not aluminum.

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    The way I see it, we have no one to blame but the dip$#@! posers who buy M cars just so they can cruise around thinking anyone else gives a $#@!. They're the ones who complain when the cars aren't comfortable enough for them to apply hair gel at 100mph and they're the ones who pin the throttle pre apex trying to impress their girl and wrap the car around a tree. One of the most perfect cars I have ever driven is the current generation Cayman S, since most of the posers and trophy wives opt for the Boxster, Porsche is free to design the Cayman S to thrill a true driver. BMW did a similar thing with the Z3 and Z4 M coupes, they were unbelievably fun because no poser would have put up with their hard ride and goofy styling. They pulled off the same trick with the 135i, too. Drive one back to back with a 335i and you won't even think they came from the same company.

    As long as there are tons of morons with too much money going to the dealership to buy the most expensive version of the car they want, the M cars will have to be softened and watered down to appeal to them because, unfortunately, they are a bigger market than the actual driving enthusiasts. Perfect example: I was at my BMW dealer a few days ago looking at a CPO M3 coupe they had and some wealthy guy in his 30s or 40s had just bought the very first F13 M6 convertible from them, I tried talking to him but it was painfully obvious after only a few seconds that he had no clue what the hell it was he had just bought. He just thought it looked cooler than the 550i he originally planned to buy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@AUTOCouture Click here to enlarge
    This. People in the company dont give a $#@!.
    Based on what?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
    I LOVE this response and I quote

    "His response was along the line of 'I don't know, I won't be working here when that happens.'" unquote.

    In other I dont care what can happen obviously I'll either be promoted or be gone, WHO CARES!!
    I think what he meant here was that he doesn't want to work for a company that ends up in that direction. Although, I guess you could take this either way - but I think given the context, he meant he doesn't want to work for BMW if they do this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    The way I see it, we have no one to blame but the dip$#@! posers who buy M cars just so they can cruise around thinking anyone else gives a $#@!. They're the ones who complain when the cars aren't comfortable enough for them to apply hair gel at 100mph and they're the ones who pin the throttle pre apex trying to impress their girl and wrap the car around a tree. One of the most perfect cars I have ever driven is the current generation Cayman S, since most of the posers and trophy wives opt for the Boxster, Porsche is free to design the Cayman S to thrill a true driver. BMW did a similar thing with the Z3 and Z4 M coupes, they were unbelievably fun because no poser would have put up with their hard ride and goofy styling. They pulled off the same trick with the 135i, too. Drive one back to back with a 335i and you won't even think they came from the same company.

    As long as there are tons of morons with too much money going to the dealership to buy the most expensive version of the car they want, the M cars will have to be softened and watered down to appeal to them because, unfortunately, they are a bigger market than the actual driving enthusiasts. Perfect example: I was at my BMW dealer a few days ago looking at a CPO M3 coupe they had and some wealthy guy in his 30s or 40s had just bought the very first F13 M6 convertible from them, I tried talking to him but it was painfully obvious after only a few seconds that he had no clue what the hell it was he had just bought. He just thought it looked cooler than the 550i he originally planned to buy.
    You can't expect everyone to be an enthusiast. Some people just buy cars because they are beautiful, or fast, or prestigious, or whatever is of interest to them. I don't think that makes them a "poser"; if anything it makes them honest.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    You can't expect everyone to be an enthusiast. Some people just buy cars because they are beautiful, or fast, or prestigious, or whatever is of interest to them. I don't think that makes them a "poser"; if anything it makes them honest.

    What makes someone a poser is someone who simply buys a brand because of the name. Not because of its heritage or its fun to drive or its crazy power....its just the next hottest thing to show up with at the Miracle Mile, the Nautical Mile, or just to show off in public.


    It applies to Porsche as well. Technically the 911 was supposed to be geared straight towards enthusiasts only, was a true drivers car. They watered it down in the 996 chassis so everyone could buy one. 9 times out of 10, that Carrera you see on the highway is a base model slushbox lease, driven by some white collar idiot who only bought the car because of the Stuttgart badge on the front, to give the impression of wealth and help him get $#@!es.

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    @Matt Im with you there are MANY people that buy for STATUS QUO issue and dont even have a clue what the car is all about, remember there are many MORONS outhere vice WE the few that know what these cars of our can REALLY do!!!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@AUTOCouture Click here to enlarge
    What makes someone a poser is someone who simply buys a brand because of the name. Not because of its heritage or its fun to drive or its crazy power....its just the next hottest thing to show up with at the Miracle Mile, the Nautical Mile, or just to show off in public.
    Why? Why does someone have to love cars like you? I don't get it. Do I have to know the history of Gucci to wear a pair of their shoes? Do you have to know the movement of your watch to appreciate it as a beautiful thing? I don't think so...

    I mean, I'm a die-hard enthusiast through and through, but I don't expect everyone to be the same. To some people a car is transportation, to others it is just an accessory. As long as it makes you happy, then you are doing it right IMO.

    It applies to Porsche as well. Technically the 911 was supposed to be geared straight towards enthusiasts only, was a true drivers car. They watered it down in the 996 chassis so everyone could buy one. 9 times out of 10, that Carrera you see on the highway is a base model slushbox lease, driven by some white collar idiot who only bought the car because of the Stuttgart badge on the front, to give the impression of wealth and help him get $#@!es.
    Man, you are mad at this people. Who cares man...

    Best selling Porsche at one time - automatic Boxster. : O
    Huge revenue source now - Porsche Cayenne. : O

    Things change...as long as they still have offerings for people like us, I could care less.

    To me a poser is someone who tries to be something they are not. Buying a car for your own reasons, which don't line-up with an enthusiast, is not a poser.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    Why? Why does someone have to love cars like you? I don't get it. Do I have to know the history of Gucci to wear a pair of their shoes? Do you have to know the movement of your watch to appreciate it as a beautiful thing? I don't think so...
    You have a point here but is M now just a fashion statement? Has it traditionally made fashion statements or enthusiast vehicles? Not quite the same comparison.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You have a point here but is M now just a fashion statement? Has it traditionally made fashion statements or enthusiast vehicles? Not quite the same comparison.
    Hey, trust me...I lean towards the enthusiast geared vehicles where appropriate. It does seem M is drifting in a precarious direction here. Hard for me to see the future, which is why I think the new M3 will be a very good barometer. Every company has problems maintaining their culture as they grow in size and revenue, and I don't think BMW will be an exception. It's a tough balancing act.

    I just have always objected to the notion that there is a "right" way to do car ownership. Life is short, and ultimately these things are just material possessions.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    I just have always objected to the notion that there is a "right" way to do car ownership. Life is short, and ultimately these things are just material possessions.
    I agree with you here people should do what they want but it's somewhat disappointing as an enthusiast to see people not being able to appreciate exactly what they have buying it for reasons I do not necessarily agree with. It would be like someone spending a bunch of money on a fine wine just because they wanted alcohol and to show off.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I agree with you here people should do what they want but it's somewhat disappointing as an enthusiast to see people not being able to appreciate exactly what they have buying it for reasons I do not necessarily agree with. It would be like someone spending a bunch of money on a fine wine just because they wanted alcohol and to show off.
    I know what you are saying and agree. But I don't think style is not synonymous with showing off. As an example, my wife's current dream car is the new Vanquish. She wouldn't care if it had a V8, V10, or V12 in it; she just thinks it is a gorgeous convertible. I think one can appreciate the beauty of design without an intimate knowledge of the car or with a desire for high performance. Much in the same way people drive ugly, high-performance cars. : )

    I think disappointment is the right response rather than anger. I mean you are disappointed because you know there could be more to the ownership experience for them.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    I mean you are disappointed because you know there could be more to the ownership experience for them.
    Exactly. But they are free to do what they want.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by singletrack Click here to enlarge
    You can't expect everyone to be an enthusiast. Some people just buy cars because they are beautiful, or fast, or prestigious, or whatever is of interest to them. I don't think that makes them a "poser"; if anything it makes them honest.
    but an M car is the same as the regular car except it's faster and more fun to drive and if you don't care about that then you are paying way more for the car (especially when you look at insurance, gas mileage, maintenance costs) for what? Just to have the M badge and to be able to tell people you have the top of the line 3 series, 5 series, etc.? There are exactly two reasons to buy an M car and they are the driving experience and the prestige/image.

    My point is these people would be happier with the standard cars (usually) if they aren't into the driving experience thing, perfect example: I know a guy who loved the 2005 bodystyle Mercedes CLK so he went in and got the most expensive one...the CLK 55 AMG. After two years of owning it, I asked him how he liked it and he had exactly two complaints: it drank gas and the tires were too expensive (so it was expensive to own) and the ride quality sucks. I told him he would have been way happier in a regular Benz than an AMG so when he sold it he went and looked at a regular 550 and that's what he ended up buying, he absolutely loves the non-AMG.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    but an M car is the same as the regular car except it's faster and more fun to drive and if you don't care about that then you are paying way more for the car (especially when you look at insurance, gas mileage, maintenance costs) for what? Just to have the M badge and to be able to tell people you have the top of the line 3 series, 5 series, etc.? There are exactly two reasons to buy an M car and they are the driving experience and the prestige/image.
    I don't know man. The M cars are pretty gorgeous in a subtle way these days. They definitely look a bit different than the top models below them. Although I will admit that I mistook a loaded 550 for a M5 yesterday...front sport bumper is super similar! Oddly enough though, in my area, M cars are very rare. You see tons of BMWs, AMGs, Porsches, various Ferrari. Almost implies to me that the M cars are not "look at me" enough for the crowd around here.

    My point is these people would be happier with the standard cars (usually) if they aren't into the driving experience thing, perfect example: I know a guy who loved the 2005 bodystyle Mercedes CLK so he went in and got the most expensive one...the CLK 55 AMG. After two years of owning it, I asked him how he liked it and he had exactly two complaints: it drank gas and the tires were too expensive (so it was expensive to own) and the ride quality sucks. I told him he would have been way happier in a regular Benz than an AMG so when he sold it he went and looked at a regular 550 and that's what he ended up buying, he absolutely loves the non-AMG.
    The suspension might get them too! I mean obviously part of it is on the sales person to educate the consumer as well. Likewise, there are certainly a fair share of braggarts out there that just want to show-off. Those people should be laughed at... : )

    I see so many people around me in AMG SUVs...it's nuts. I have to think that most of them just bought them for the visual upgrades because I don't see them driving fast, and usually it is a woman and/or family inside. I'm sure some of them had to have the most expensive model as well. I see G wagons and loaded rovers frequently as well. They are the most expensive SUVs on the road and almost no one is actually taking them off-road...

    It would be interesting to see some actual market research on all this.

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    It was all fine and dandy until I test drove an X5M. I couldn't help but walk away from that shaking my head. I don't think I ever recovered from that.

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    It was all fine and dandy until I test drove an X5M. I couldn't help but walk away from that shaking my head. I don't think I ever recovered from that.
    Explain please.

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    The posers are necessary so the companies get the revenue to make the true sports cars.....as long as the company doesn't lose sight of what true enthusiasts want. Why BMW won't make a lightweight edition, higher hp, track oriented e9x m3 is beyond me. These special edition current m3's with different paint, wheels, etc. Are just attempts to keep things interesting until they come out with the next generation m. Right now the competiition is fierce and BMW desperately needs a home run with this next gen m3.
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