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    Funny how earlier people were saying the solid rear was not that big of a deal but clearly this comparison does not mask the deficiencies.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Does anyone know what tires are these cars running as OEM spec? No doubt the solid rear on the GT500 is hurting it, but if it's running $#@!ty tires as well, it never really stood a chance to compete in the handling arena.
    Inside Line lists both vehicles' wheels are wrapped in Goodyear's Eagle F1 Supercar G:2.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Inside Line lists both vehicles' wheels are wrapped in Goodyear's Eagle F1 Supercar G:2.
    Excellent - so it truly is the platform making the difference then in this test.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    I don't know if you've tried Mustang LS or not. That thing handles like a dream... Well in a Mustang-ish way. But i have to say it's better than M3. With proper suspension, a solid real axle can be good too though i don't deny that it can be better with IRS.

    At the end though, i would scratch all of these muscle cars and get a Corvette. It's more suited for a person like me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Excellent - so it truly is the platform making the difference then in this test.
    Agreed.

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    The ZL1 has the Mustangs lunch its so hard to admit LOL... But its a stellar performance to say the least.
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    Curious how the BOSS 302 would do in the handling department vs these 2.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    Curious how the BOSS 302 would do in the handling department vs these 2.
    ZL1 eeked out a win against a boss 302 already at VIR
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    Haha. What mag did the comparison
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    2015 Mustang Independent Rear Suspension

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    Wonder what the people defending solid rear will do now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    Haha. What mag did the comparison
    it was motortrend

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a/viewall.html

    and it was at wilcox AZ not VIR...sorry bout that
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    It isn't so much the size of the blower that is hurting it as long as it is within it's efficiency range. It has more to do with the design of the rotors (screws) on the inside that draw the air in, compress it and discharge it. The TVS is a much better design, and very close to a twin screw design.

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    The 1.9L blower is a big reason for the heat issue on the ZL1.

    When I had a C5 Camaro, I was looking to get it blown. So, I took it out to this little club I know about in TJ... jk

    But, seriously I was shopping for superchargers and I was really considering a 1.9L blower. I was talking to some tuning shops around the country that were installing some of the 1.9L blowers as well as 2.8L KB's. A very well known tuner in Atlanta told me kind of on the low that although the 1.9L makes great power, especially torque from down low, he was noticing some really high IAT's after repeated pulls on the dyno. He was seeing less heat soak on the 2.8L KB's.

    Ironically, KB's turned out to have some heat issues of their own.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JHOOPS2 Click here to enlarge
    It isn't so much the size of the blower that is hurting it as long as it is within it's efficiency range. It has more to do with the design of the rotors (screws) on the inside that draw the air in, compress it and discharge it. The TVS is a much better design, and very close to a twin screw design.
    They are both Roots but yes, the TVS is a better design.

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    Read these #'s (independent)
    ZL1:2:52.4
    2011/12 GT500 w/PP: 2:58.48

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    C63 P31: 3:06:3
    1M: 3:06:6
    Boss 302(LS) 3:02:8
    12 GTR: 2:53:2
    ZR1: 2:50.7
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    I'm very impressed by the Camaro's lap time.

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    Looks a bit like driving a boat, but its fast boat though.

    Not sure I would have the balls to drive this car that fast.
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    Car and Driver drove both cars in the track. Please read the article

    "Did That Just Happen?"

    "Nothing is more humbling than watching a car with 100 fewer horses and the extra weight of an NFL running back disappear into the distance on a back road. But that's exactly what happened when we brought the two cars together to establish which is the best-driving pony car ever. The answer, as improbable as it seemed, was as obvious as the Camaro's shrinking taillights"

    "So in other words, we were wrong. When it comes to pony cars, it's not always about horsepower. At least not anymore."
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    Within 2 seconds of the ZR1, for 1/2 the price and carrying a lot more weight... This thing is legit.
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    ZR1 at VIR

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    Within 2 seconds of the ZR1, for 1/2 the price and carrying a lot more weight... This thing is legit.
    You dont understand 2 seconds at VIR is a LOT. I mean like a a huge advantage. In such a short track 2 seconds is a world of difference.
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    WOW in Video above ZR1 2:45 BAM!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    You dont understand 2 seconds at VIR is a LOT. I mean like a a huge advantage. In such a short track 2 seconds is a world of difference.
    I get that it's a big difference, but my point was that at the price point and given that it has a significant weight penalty, it's making a pretty good showing. 2 seconds is a huge gap at any track except LaSarthe and the Ring - then it's just a big gap. Click here to enlarge

    But my first post was based on the times shown earlier in the thread. The video above shows a driver doing it in 2:45 in the ZR1 instead of the 2:50 lightning lap time. My guess is it's a different driver than did the ZL1 lap in the other Chevy video, as they are wearing different brands of driving gloves. So what we really need is same day, same driver, same track shoot out...
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    Heres my take on this. I see that the camaro outhandles the shelby which is a plus for the camaro for road course drivers. But since when did camaro drivers ever give a $#@! about handling until now that they got a beatdown in the horsepower department? I remember when the mustang was ALWAYS down on horsepower and acceleration and needed quite a bit of mods to keep up with LS1s, now all of a sudden camaro owners are gonna cry the ZL1 as the superior car because it handles better, they didnt give a $#@! back then though.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    Heres my take on this. I see that the camaro outhandles the shelby which is a plus for the camaro for road course drivers. But since when did camaro drivers ever give a $#@! about handling until now that they got a beatdown in the horsepower department? I remember when the mustang was ALWAYS down on horsepower and acceleration and needed quite a bit of mods to keep up with LS1s, now all of a sudden camaro owners are gonna cry the ZL1 as the superior car because it handles better, they didnt give a $#@! back then though.
    +1. Also, who's gonna get spanked in the real world? That's right the big ass Camaro won't be able to keep up in a Mexico pull vs the Shelby or a the Dragstrip, which is what most owners of those cars do anyways. The Camaro is very impressive though.

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