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    Just for clarification....

    When I was censored, I questioned an opinion that the Procede was nolonger the most advanced tuning option for the N54. I did not create a thread, or start an unrelated discussion subject. I simply questioned a statement made about the Procede. The discussion then progressed to what makes one tune more advanced than another. I pointed out what I thought made the Procede more advanced than others. I stated that it was my opinion. Other people stated their opinion (and I did not put any opinion down), and questioned mine, and responded in the nature of the discussion. At some point someone must have decided that this discussion was considered to be too negative to sponsors and my posts were censored. I don't see how I broke any rules. I never bashed anything or attacked anyone. I simply pointed out the differences in technologies, and why I thought the Procede was the most advanced. I certainly did not crap on CP-E. I just asked for justification as to why they should claim that title and explained why Vishnu had made decissions that were different to others (like level of user adjustability).

    Now as a guest vendor, we can't start threads, so we can only comment in threads to defend our product. This is what I did. I am obviously missing something here. As a guest vendor we are expected to appreciate the privledge of being able to come over and get walked on by your sponsors or work out some way of defending our product without being interpretted as marketting it (is that possible)??

    I am happy to be censored for attacks or discrediting your sponsors, but if I cannot be involved in a discussion about the Procede (where I did not start it) where I have not done anything other than discuss technical details and opinions on benefits of these details, then I am out of here. Why would I want to give your sponsors the satisfaction and marketting benefit of being seen to "outsmart" us because we are unable to defend.

    Also, I see this as a two way street. You keep going on about how generous you are to us. You allow us over here as long as we do not market. Why would we come here otherwise? I have better things to do than to participate in discussions for the fun of it on 3 different forums. Vishnu is a business and we enjoy doing it, but we have to feed our families. On the other hand, you get the benefit of attracting more traffic if all prominent tuners are here. Your users also get the substantial benefit of the knowledge we are willing to share which attracts more traffic. Without us here you are just like the other forums that only represent the sponsors.

    So let me know if I should come back and what the conditions are.

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    Adrian, as I mentioned before.. we would like to have you guys on board. As it stands, we have great all around participation from other great tuners at this point.

    Tuning is a very touchy subject when it comes to competing companies. How about Vishnu becomes part of our community as a sponsor and we can put this whole "guest vendor" quarrel behind us ?

    Shiv, Adrian... your thoughts?
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    My know my opinion is unsolicited but I still don't see what the big deal is. I personally would love to see Adrian and CPE discuss which system is more advanced regardless of who's thread it is in. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by adrian@vishnu Click here to enlarge
    Just for clarification....

    When I was censored, I questioned an opinion that the Procede was nolonger the most advanced tuning option for the N54. I did not create a thread, or start an unrelated discussion subject. I simply questioned a statement made about the Procede. The discussion then progressed to what makes one tune more advanced than another. I pointed out what I thought made the Procede more advanced than others. I stated that it was my opinion. Other people stated their opinion (and I did not put any opinion down), and questioned mine, and responded in the nature of the discussion. At some point someone must have decided that this discussion was considered to be too negative to sponsors and my posts were censored. I don't see how I broke any rules. I never bashed anything or attacked anyone. I simply pointed out the differences in technologies, and why I thought the Procede was the most advanced. I certainly did not crap on CP-E. I just asked for justification as to why they should claim that title and explained why Vishnu had made decissions that were different to others (like level of user adjustability).

    Now as a guest vendor, we can't start threads, so we can only comment in threads to defend our product. This is what I did. I am obviously missing something here. As a guest vendor we are expected to appreciate the privledge of being able to come over and get walked on by your sponsors or work out some way of defending our product without being interpretted as marketting it (is that possible)??

    I am happy to be censored for attacks or discrediting your sponsors, but if I cannot be involved in a discussion about the Procede (where I did not start it) where I have not done anything other than discuss technical details and opinions on benefits of these details, then I am out of here. Why would I want to give your sponsors the satisfaction and marketting benefit of being seen to "outsmart" us because we are unable to defend.
    Yes, this is what you did and no one said you did any differently. How you broke the rules in that the thread is you went in a thread about a supporting a vendors products and shifted the focus. CP-E is a business and expects to get the exposure they are paying for. They are not paying to discuss Vishnu's products in threads about their products, that seems to be the component you are missing.

    Also, I see this as a two way street. You keep going on about how generous you are to us. You allow us over here as long as we do not market. Why would we come here otherwise? I have better things to do than to participate in discussions for the fun of it on 3 different forums. Vishnu is a business and we enjoy doing it, but we have to feed our families. On the other hand, you get the benefit of attracting more traffic if all prominent tuners are here. Your users also get the substantial benefit of the knowledge we are willing to share which attracts more traffic. Without us here you are just like the other forums that only represent the sponsors.
    I did not realize I was so privileged to have Vishnu here. Why is it that Vishnu is a business and yet BimmerBoost isn't? So when BimmerBoost attempts to protect its business interests by enforcing the rules that is out of line somehow? Why would we have supporting vendors if we are not going to allow them to get the marketing they paid for? You acknowledge Vishnu is a business and here to market. So why not become a supporting vendor and market to your hearts content? Every other vendor understands this, so where is the conflict? Why is Vishnu somehow above the rules that are understood by everyone else? If we did not feel there was a benefit and did not want to share as much information as possible without stepping on vendors toes we would not even have guest vendor rules.

    This is also very simple, if Vishnu wants complete freedom, please become a supporting vendor in order to market like a supporting vendor. You guys make a bunch of money and our rates are the lowest in the entire industry by a huge margin. If we don't represent our sponsors correctly and give them the most for their money then there hardly is any incentive to be a sponsor, now is there?

    You are already familiar with various vendor tiers from your home board. This is nothing new to you, you understand all of this.

    So let me know if I should come back and what the conditions are.
    There are no conditions and you are free to post as you always have been. If you do not want guest vendor restrictions e-mail administrator@bimmerboost.com and have them lifted.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    My know my opinion is unsolicited but I still don't see what the big deal is. I personally would love to see Adrian and CPE discuss which system is more advanced regardless of who's thread it is in. Click here to enlarge
    We all would want to see that but I highly doubt you want any BMS product offering roll outs to become Vishnu threads especially if you are a supporting vendor and they are not, correct? Do you believe BMS should be be paying and others should piggy back (hahah, get it?) market off that?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    We all would want to see that but I highly doubt you want any BMS product offering roll outs to become Vishnu threads especially if you are a supporting vendor and they are not, correct? Do you believe BMS should be be paying and others should piggy back (hahah, get it?) market off that?
    I can agree with that but you'll just have to balance that fine line between discussion and trolling.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    I can agree with that but you'll just have to balance that fine line between discussion and trolling.
    You are telling me about balance Click here to enlarge This whole thing is a fine line and we are walking it in order to give the members as much info as possible while at the same time protecting our vendors. The whole guest vendor system was programmed with that in mind.

    The resolution is simple, we are all hinting at it. Business is business... so lets do business.
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    True it's hard to imagine Vishnu not wanting to pony up a few dollars to support the community. We certainly don't have an issue with that. Someones gotta keep the lights on. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    True it's hard to imagine Vishnu not wanting to pony up a few dollars to support the community. We certainly don't have an issue with that. Someones gotta keep the lights on. Click here to enlarge
    Not only that, you pay, you provide parts, you allow links, you fuel the userbase, so why do you do all that to help and yet others should be allowed to make use of your support for free to help their business interests?

    Vishnu provides great info, so let's all be a community and take the steps necessary to keep everyone happy and together. I'll send Shiv a nice bottle of wine to celebrate.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
    I love this site!!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You are telling me about balance Click here to enlarge This whole thing is a fine line and we are walking it in order to give the members as much info as possible while at the same time protecting our vendors. The whole guest vendor system was programmed with that in mind.

    The resolution is simple, we are all hinting at it. Business is business... so lets do business.
    THe only way Vishnu would join is if they had moderator powers, LOL.

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    I'll answer it plain and simple -> YES the procede is no longer the most advanced tune out there. I won't get into detail till later but the standback has features, extras, cool $#@! (whatever you want to call it) that simply blow the competition out of the water. The difference is we aren't going to parade around bashing like shiv. You know how I know he's fail?? IPHONE...google/android is far superior Click here to enlarge android 2.2 rooted...yuH! I keed I keed Click here to enlarge but in all seriousness...i discussed a little with sticky about the new things the standback does and he is mad that we are waiting to post details...its INCREDIBLE...will be up in the near future though Click here to enlarge happy friday all
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by www.cp-e.com Click here to enlarge
    You know how I know he's fail?? IPHONE...google/android is far superior Click here to enlarge android 2.2 rooted...yuH!
    wow, wow, wow.. hold your horses.. what? lets keep this on the tuning side.. Click here to enlarge wish ATT had a Droid X coming out for them.. would be awesome..
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    I just used all my rep points for the day in this last page of info.. Love the info here on BB

    and a droid X!? I gotta google this $#@!!

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    The droid x is going to literally obliterate the competition. I have tmo ($#@!ty phones but great price plans). I may switch to verizon just to get the droid x. Not that i need it but it has an HDMI OUT!!!

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    Droid X is okay. It won't be loaded with Android 2.2 yet, but you can donwload the SDK.

    Plus, no Adobe support until the end of summer.

    Also, MotoBlur still sucks.

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    well, this went OT pretty quick Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
    Droid X is okay. It won't be loaded with Android 2.2 yet, but you can donwload the SDK.

    Plus, no Adobe support until the end of summer.

    Also, MotoBlur still sucks.
    I don't like the blur thing, but nothing that can't be fixed. Still, since ATT and VZ have the same early cancelation fee, I will stick with my iPhone... (Apple Hate Suite on) Click here to enlarge
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    Yea, but it would be much better then the HTC Sense Overlay.

    Sense >>>>>> Moto Blur.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
    THe only way Vishnu would join is if they had moderator powers, LOL.
    Took the words out of my mouth.
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    they should join, it would show that they are not afraid to go head-head with the competition

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    they should join, it would show that they are not afraid to go head-head with the competition
    It would be great to have them here on a regular basis as a supporting vendor.
    They are to used to having free reign over on the dictator forum. They need some one to go cry to when things don't go their way, and I highly doubt sticky will be giving Jason a moderator spot here on BB anytime soon
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    Can't wait to see what CP-E has in the works. Hurry up and atleast give us a small spoiler! Click here to enlarge

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    CP-E has a lot in store. Exciting times !

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