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    Thumbs up NEW HPF High Compression Track Motor - DYNO RESULTS

    For those that are looking for a high compression track motor, we have the ticket!! We were planning on running our orange "Track" m3 at PIR today but unfortunately it is raining. We've made a bunch of other changes to the car but I'm going to post up our new powerband. This is our standard stage 1 turbo system (plus stage 3 fuel) with the exception we are running a sleeved block, higher than the factory compression, dual valve springs, C16, 18psi and have expanded the RPM range to 8,500. This setup outperforms all our other kits on the track with a fat powerband that always puts the car in the power with instantaneous boost response.

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    jesus christ... this is the best dyno you've ever posted chris.

    told ya hiC is the beez knees!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    jesus christ... this is the best dyno you've ever posted chris.

    told ya hiC is the beez knees!
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    What a beast! That's a really nice power curve.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    jesus christ... this is the best dyno you've ever posted chris.

    told ya hiC is the beez knees!
    Agreed, this is awesome and their best looking curve I've seen.

    C16 only though?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Agreed, this is awesome and their best looking curve I've seen.

    C16 only though?
    right? its got a fat hump in it!

    call me old skool but i don't see anything wrong with leaded fuel hehe

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
    right? its got a fat hump in it!

    call me old skool but i don't see anything wrong with leaded fuel hehe
    I don't see anything wrong with it either just wish we could have something like this on the street. For a race motor though, it doesn't matter.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't see anything wrong with it either just wish we could have something like this on the street. For a race motor though, it doesn't matter.
    i plan on running a c16 tune Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I don't see anything wrong with it either just wish we could have something like this on the street. For a race motor though, it doesn't matter.
    You can. Just run an E85 tune. I am running one on an AEM for faster spool on my 7175. I will also have race gas plus meth power ALL the time. I will have a pump gas tune too for long trips. Also a Zoitronics constant readout of ethanol percentage for safety.
    I wont have a linear power curve like a super charger like Chris has, but it will get by. I dont expect to loose any sleep over lag.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
    You can. Just run an E85 tune. I am running one on an AEM for faster spool on my 7175. I will also have race gas plus meth power ALL the time. I will have a pump gas tune too for long trips. Also a Zoitronics constant readout of ethanol percentage for safety.
    I wont have a linear power curve like a super charger like Chris has, but it will get by. I dont expect to loose any sleep over lag.
    E85 is enough for this or E85 and meth?

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    you never mix meth with E85. E85 can provide anti knock and power more than 110 leaded. Its about the same as C16. It's also about 3.50 a gallon. I dont even HAVE a meth tank. They are a fairly high maintenance item. Something often goes wrong with them, fuse, pump, nozzle, etc.

    Mileage is less. But I have a 17 gal main plus a 15 gallon fuel cell (with built in 1250 liter per hour fuel pump). So i have 35 gallon capacity in any combination you want, as long as it is 93 octane pump gas or E85 also available from a pump. I dont even bother with a race gas tune. Dont need one. Dont need to pay 11 bux a gallon PLUS methanol prices either.
    E85 gives a much FASTER spool!
    I may add a meth tamk if i do extensive traveling where E85 is scarce. For now, its one less thing I have to worry about.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
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    you never mix meth with E85. E85 can provide anti knock and power more than 110 leaded. Its about the same as C16.
    I read it is about 95-96 octane?

    Did not know you don't mix them. What is the reason you don't mix them?

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    In common use with a turbo it will sustain up to 40 lbs boost and give as much power as c16. So you can draw your own conclusions. Reason for not mixing? Ask the many experts who tell all us E85 users never to mix it with meth. Jason, Chris, Larry at SP, SAAD.
    I am sure they can explain.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
    In common use with a turbo it will sustain up to 40 lbs boost and give as much power as c16. So you can draw your own conclusions.
    Do you have support for this?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
    Reason for not mixing? Ask the many experts who tell all us E85 users never to mix it with meth. Jason, Chris, Larry at SP, SAAD.
    I am sure they can explain.
    I thought maybe you knew, I'll ask as I'm curious.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
    In common use with a turbo it will sustain up to 40 lbs boost and give as much power as c16. So you can draw your own conclusions. Reason for not mixing? Ask the many experts who tell all us E85 users never to mix it with meth. Jason, Chris, Larry at SP, SAAD.
    I am sure they can explain.
    Methanol has better cooling properties than ethanol and theoretically you could inject meth on a car that runs e85... But the complexities wouldn't be worth the results.

    That and most of us running 71mm or so turbos can reach full power with only 60% ethanol. So adding meth on top of that won't do much.

    I personally prefer simplicity and the whole point of ethanol for most people is to avoid having the added complexities and issues of a meth kit, like Dave mentioned.

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    Google "e85 same as c16". It's debateable since people are still learning on just how good E85 is and how much timing you can run with it.
    At 3 something a gallon for E85 vs 20 a gallon c16 comes out the looser every time IMO.

    Then they have E98 which I may also get a tune for. That should be off the hook. I need to find out the cost of a 55 gallon drum of that.
    They also comment on E98 and C16 like here for instance:

    The good stuff is here! 98% ethanol content every time. That means no more retuning for variations in ethanol content from the E85 pumps, higher octane, more cooling, and more power! Click here to enlarge

    In many cases people have made more power on E98 than on VP C16, which is an excellent race fuel. C16 has skyrocketed to almost 20 dollars a gallon, and even pump gas is close to $4/gallon, making the switch to ethanol extremely attractive.

    We'll be selling E98 race fuel for just $7.50 per gallon. Pricing may vary as ethanol pricing does fluctuate just like gas prices.

    It is for off road use as with any race fuel so bring a suitable container when you come to purchase it. Make sure it's a sealed container and it's stored in a room temperature dry environment away from sunlight just like race fuel. Please also make sure your car is properly built and tuned for E98.
    http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.ph...-Fuel-In-stock
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    THIS was an interesting thread concerning methanol. I think you just dont NEED methanol once you have E85 introduced as a main fuel source. Adding methanol does basically nothing. Guys are saying running 100% methanol only nets you 3% more power anyways at DOUBLE the consumption and triple the cost per gallon...so 6 times the total cost. Nope. I dont even HAVE a meth pump. Dont NEED a stinking meth pump.!
    http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=434953

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bdave Click here to enlarge
    Adding methanol does basically nothing.
    That's what I hear but why?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
    That and most of us running 71mm or so turbos can reach full power with only 60% ethanol. So adding meth on top of that won't do much.
    I see.

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