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    GIAC are FINALLY upping their game!

    Well here we go folks: GIAC has released a smart phone app version of their FlashLoader software. It supports BMW cars as well:

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    It definitely shows that they are still actively involved in the N54 tuning, even though they are not nearly as vocal as certain other tuners.
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    Good point on it showing they are still involved with this platform. Seems once Cobb entered though they took a backseat in the flash realm.
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    Until they get an at-home flasher system I don't see them making much headway in the flash market. That should be their top priority if they care enough to be competitive.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Until they get an at-home flasher system I don't see them making much headway in the flash market. That should be their top priority if they care enough to be competitive.
    GIAC has never historically had a strong BMW presence.
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    Yeah, I agree. GIAC mostly works on VAG cars and they are one of the best in the business. They started working on BMWs only tuning cars with the VF Engineering superchargers. When I had their Stage 1, the car ran REALLY good. Driveability was outstanding and I still think their software is better than Cobb's. The complicated installation process was too much of a hassle and costed me lots of time and money when I was under warranty. That's why I switched to Cobb.

    Now however, my car is out of warranty so it won't be going for firmware updates to BMW unless there is a recall. Also, from what I can gather, they have released updated maps for N54. I already own Stage 1 so upgrading to Stage 2 won't be that expensive at all.

    I am waiting to see what Cobb's ATR will bring to the table and how my car will run with it. If I am not happy, I'll probably switch back to GIAC. For me driveability, predictability and consistency are A LOT MORE important than extra 20-30 whp.
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    I'm really liking what they are currently offering, this new flashloader definately helps things out to be able to switch maps, and that they now have a methanol map. My only wish is for them to have a specific E85/93octane mix map, but I'm wondering if you can run the race map with that mix?
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    Oh wow! That's bada$$! Def puts them ahead of cobb now since they've had race maps for months and the biggest complaint amongst people was the lack of a flashloader. They've had the flashloader for a little while now but of course it costs money. This iPhone app should bring in some new customers. I have heard that their tune is silky smooth, prob much smoother than Cobb's. (i've had Cobb, i can say that) +1 on the e85, this is where the flash tuners are going to struggle compared to the piggy's. e85 is all the craze right now and it could take them months to release an OTS map while us piggy guys are all running circles around them with e85 in our tanks.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Until they get an at-home flasher system I don't see them making much headway in the flash market. That should be their top priority if they care enough to be competitive.
    This is not at an at home flasher? There is no cable you hook up to your phone? That would be badass, otgerwise what is this?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
    Oh wow! That's bada$$! Def puts them ahead of cobb now since they've had race maps for months and the biggest complaint amongst people was the lack of a flashloader. They've had the flashloader for a little while now but of course it costs money. This iPhone app should bring in some new customers. I have heard that their tune is silky smooth, prob much smoother than Cobb's. (i've had Cobb, i can say that) +1 on the e85, this is where the flash tuners are going to struggle compared to the piggy's. e85 is all the craze right now and it could take them months to release an OTS map while us piggy guys are all running circles around them with e85 in our tanks.
    Dont know why E85 is such a big deal to release OTS maps for flashes... evos have had it for a million years now. Cobb should make this a priority and have something Asap because as I see it, it shouldnt take that long.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    This is not at an at home flasher? There is no cable you hook up to your phone? That would be badass, otgerwise what is this?
    No it's not a home flasher. This allows you to switch between different maps. But to get the flash into the ECU, you still need to get the car or the DME to a GIAC dealer.

    So it's not the same as a COBB AP.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    Dont know why E85 is such a big deal to release OTS maps for flashes... evos have had it for a million years now. Cobb should make this a priority and have something Asap because as I see it, it shouldnt take that long.
    Look how long it's taken Cobb to release a race map though. I sold my Cobb over 6 months ago becuse I got tired of waiting on a meth/race gas map. They still don't have a public released OTS map yet. It's still in testing.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
    No it's not a home flasher. This allows you to switch between different maps. But to get the flash into the ECU, you still need to get the car or the DME to a GIAC dealer.

    So it's not the same as a COBB AP.

    What a bunch of crap then.

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    Look how long it's taken Cobb to release a race map though. I sold my Cobb over 6 months ago becuse I got tired of waiting on a meth/race gas map. They still don't have a public released OTS map yet. It's still in testing.
    Yeah Cobb is too slow with a lot of their stuff, ATR and N55 capabilities should already be available as well as N55 support. I like flashes and what they offer but it looks like piggies will be king for a long time at this rate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
    What a bunch of crap then.
    Yeah Cobb is too slow with a lot of their stuff, ATR and N55 capabilities should already be available as well as N55 support. I like flashes and what they offer but it looks like piggies will be king for a long time at this rate.
    Astonishingly yes. At the arrival of GIAG and especially COBB, people said the days of the piggys were counted and they were doomed to disappear. Weel, in theory flashes should be superior, but so far I have seen no real groundbreaking development on their side. They seem to be a bit safer, but also alot more conservative powerwise. And I'm a bit underwhelmed to see that people even complain about issues like boost oscillation with flashes. I thought flashes had complete control over the ECU? Some features are neat, like monitoring all six cylinders independently. But why not put that into use and bring the N54 to the next level?
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    Well ok, so here is the mentality of GIAC:

    When you go to get your car flashed at a GIAC dealer, you purchase the flash and it comes with 1 map, usually 93 or 91 octane depending on your choice. You can then purchase additional maps for around $100 a pop. Unlike COBB, they don't release that many maps. They take a lot of time fine tuning their maps because they want their customers to be very happy. This product pricing structure may seem bit weird and expensive, however the majority of the owners get their cars flashed at car shows where they get discounts: buy 4 maps for price of one.

    Honestly guys, GIAC is super smooth. I don't know how they accomplish this but the driveability was outstanding when I had their Stage 1 map. I have to tell you, I do not give a flying $#@! about logging capabilities, gauge hijacking and all of the other non-sense crap that people seem to be digging into. I want to drive the car and have full confidence in it, not look at gauges and spend my time trying to graph excel sheets.

    So yeah, Cobb better get their stuff down with ATR and the next firmware and map releases. I've been very very patient so far, but enough is enough. If the car continues to have boost oscillations and general driveability issues, I am switching to GIAC.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    So yeah, Cobb better get their stuff down with ATR and the next firmware and map releases. I've been very very patient so far, but enough is enough. If the car continues to have boost oscillations and general driveability issues, I am switching to GIAC.
    +1 I've been waiting on the sideline for some months now to make the switch, but latest results are not convincing. Same goes for big turbo maps. I haven't seen THE breakthrough that everyone was counting on when COBB got a car with RBs.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    Well ok, so here is the mentality of GIAC:

    When you go to get your car flashed at a GIAC dealer, you purchase the flash and it comes with 1 map, usually 93 or 91 octane depending on your choice. You can then purchase additional maps for around $100 a pop.
    Recently got a '12 GTI and it's pretty much like this with all our tuners. Gotta have the ECU flashed for stage 1 (other stages can be done through OBDII), and it's like $600 for 1 program. Want stock? another $150, what about valet? Gotta pay for that too. Upside is APR doesn't charge for Stage 2 if you have stage 1 already, it's the shops discretion if they charge for labor.

    TERRY GET INTO VAG TUNING PLEASE.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge

    TERRY GET INTO VAG TUNING PLEASE.

    That made me chuckle! The competition is so hard there its not even funny. Go take a look what people are doing with the old school 1.8T "Neva'r Loose" motor and you will cry when you compare it to anything currently done on N54.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    That made me chuckle! The competition is so hard there its not even funny. Go take a look what people are doing with the old school 1.8T "Neva'r Loose" motor and you will cry when you compare it to anything currently done on N54.
    yeah, the competition is a bit rough between APR, GIAC, REVO, and Unitronic. The $#@! talking between tuners is a bit comical though.

    Unfortunately with the 2.0 TSI engine the limit seems to be the HPFP, once that gets solved I think things will really open up for these engines, much like the 1.8t.

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    People complaining about Cobb's race map should realize that cobbs pump math is just as strong if not stronger then GIACs race map. I dont care what people call what, stage 0, 1, 2, 3, 87, race, economy, I care about performance. The times I saw from GIACS race map cars are horrible IMO.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    People complaining about Cobb's race map should realize that cobbs pump math is just as strong if not stronger then GIACs race map. I dont care what people call what, stage 0, 1, 2, 3, 87, race, economy, I care about performance. The times I saw from GIACS race map cars are horrible IMO.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Laloosh Click here to enlarge
    People complaining about Cobb's race map should realize that cobbs pump math is just as strong if not stronger then GIACs race map. I dont care what people call what, stage 0, 1, 2, 3, 87, race, economy, I care about performance. The times I saw from GIACS race map cars are horrible IMO.

    Right, because all of the pro-race teams out there are running JB4 + meth... Its not ONLY about power mate, its about drivability. I do agree with you thought: I don't care what the map is called for as long as the car runs great and inspires driver confidence through predictability and consistency in its behavior, something that's currently missing in Cobb.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by chrisisnapping Click here to enlarge
    yeah, the competition is a bit rough between APR, GIAC, REVO, and Unitronic. The $#@! talking between tuners is a bit comical though.

    Unfortunately with the 2.0 TSI engine the limit seems to be the HPFP, once that gets solved I think things will really open up for these engines, much like the 1.8t.
    APR has had an upgraded HPFP for years now. I had an APR tuned GLI before my 135 and I decided to swap platforms rather than go upgraded turbo and HPFP.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    Right, because all of the pro-race teams out there are running JB4 + meth... Its not ONLY about power mate, its about drivability. I do agree with you thought: I don't care what the map is called for as long as the car runs great and inspires driver confidence through predictability and consistency in its behavior, something that's currently missing in Cobb.
    I'm friends with two of the race teams that switched over from JB3 to GIAC years ago. It's not really about the on track performance. You need to realize these "race cars" are run by shop owners who are looking to maximize their business. GIAC went around and sold all of them a package there they got a free tune for the race car, and the equipment to sell GIAC tunes to customers that come in to their shop. So the cars promote and sell GIAC tuning. That isn't to say GIAC doesn't have a good product. But I'm not sure if everyone understands how the business works.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vasillalov Click here to enlarge
    Right, because all of the pro-race teams out there are running JB4 + meth... Its not ONLY about power mate, its about drivability. I do agree with you thought: I don't care what the map is called for as long as the car runs great and inspires driver confidence through predictability and consistency in its behavior, something that's currently missing in Cobb.

    Pro drivers and daily drivers are two different things. I couldnt care less if Berk uses GIAC or a boost controller. I care about results and got the best ones with cobb. As for drivability issues, I had none, not one limp, not one code, not one studder or surge, nothing. My car was as consistent as it was going to get with mulitple 1/4 pulls all withing 1 mph of each other as long as the same map was used.

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