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    I'm positive I'm in the top of 4th, hoping not to shift to 5th goin through the traps

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    I'm positive I'm in the top of 4th, hoping not to shift to 5th goin through the traps
    You can't be at the top of fourth because it goes to 124 miles per hour.

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    Hymn. I'll have to test this out

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    Not sure who would even debate this (at least if we are talking about a roll-on race). Launching may be a different story, but of course the DCT shifts faster. Hell, even the 6AT will shift faster than just about anyone can on a manual. I know a lot of people will dispute this, but I guarantee 99% of those who do, cannot outshift the 6AT. Unless you are running a dogbox and shifting clutchless, you are not shifting as fast as you think you are.

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    One lesson we can learn from this is that the difference is quite small. I'll take the pleasure of shifting my own gears and giving my left leg a workout over the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000001 second difference in speed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    One lesson we can learn from this is that the difference is quite small. I'll take the pleasure of shifting my own gears and giving my left leg a workout over the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000001 second difference in speed.
    It's a bigger difference than you think

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's a bigger difference than you think
    Completely and totally negligible compared to the joy a proper manual brings me.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Completely and totally negligible compared to the joy a proper manual brings me.
    I totally agree with this. I've tossed around the idea of getting a car with a DCT in the past, but I can't get over how much I enjoy owning a manual most of the time. Maybe one day I'll jump on the DCT boat, but I can't do it yet. I don't think there's any arguing that the shift speed favors the DCT in any car, but if strictly speed was all that mattered instead of enjoyment, most of us are taking the hard way with BMW's anyways.
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    Fwiw, I haven't used my dct in auto mode since day 2 having the car. Sure, not as involved as a true manual, but still very involved

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Completely and totally negligible compared to the joy a proper manual brings me.
    Winning races brings me more joy

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    To each his own I guess, but nowadays a lot of people don't know how to drive MT, and it gives you(me at least) some sense of pride/joy to own a MT and knowing that not any random Joe/Grandma can drive your high powered car fast. Click here to enlarge just my 2 cents. I own a automatic car right now I regret not having a MT. My next car will definitely be MT. It sucks to say but sometimes I enjoy my wife's Scion TC with 180hp LMAO more than my 335i AT. The paddles just don't give you the same feeling you get when going thru the gears in a MT.

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    And the E92 1/4 mile and trap speed record is held by a 6 speed car...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    And the E92 1/4 mile and trap speed record is held by a 6 speed car...
    No its not

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    And the E92 1/4 mile and trap speed record is held by a 6 speed car...
    Since when?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Completely and totally negligible compared to the joy a proper manual brings me.
    I'm with Seb. MT does suck in traffics but anywhere else it's pure joy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    And the E92 1/4 mile and trap speed record is held by a 6 speed car...
    dct for all records .
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    My daily driver ford is auto, I love jumping in the 335 and shifting gears, sure a AT is faster, but who cares? I think it depends on what ur looking for out of the car, since I'm not looking to make a habit of racing/breaking records, I love the 6mt
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    Speaking of MT's, has anyone seen the front page article on the other site about the 7 speed BMW MT? Good stuff though i prefer real MT over that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Speaking of MT's, has anyone seen the front page article on the other site about the 7 speed BMW MT? Good stuff though i prefer real MT over that.
    I will have to put an article up on this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    No its not
    For a stock car
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
    For a stock car
    No its not

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    Are people seriously debating which is faster, a manual car or a double clutch?? If, in an unraelistic world, there would be a driver that would always shift 100% (right time, and fast) he would still not beat the double clutch.
    Always strange how the internet experts think they know better than the engineers, this case BMW M Gmbh.

    And why would there be measurable more drivetrain loss in a M-DTC than the Manual?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3GTtt Click here to enlarge
    Are people seriously debating which is faster, a manual car or a double clutch?? If, in an unraelistic world, there would be a driver that would always shift 100% (right time, and fast) he would still not beat the double clutch.
    Always strange how the internet experts think they know better than the engineers, this case BMW M Gmbh.

    And why would there be measurable more drivetrain loss in a M-DTC than the Manual?
    I tend to agree with you on this - I think the engineers know it's faster. I think there is a really good article on this forum that sticky wrote, but there is a bit of loss because of the wet clutch... Here is some info, but the article is a definite read.

    http://www.dctfacts.com/Wet-vs-Dry/default.aspx

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
    good read... thanks

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