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    Your going to feel a nice bump in power when u go catless. Your also goin to feel a loss, a slight loss in the midrange. Well, I don't think its a loss, but just less of a gain if that makes sense.

    I was.set against getting a tune. All I wanted was catless and the cel gone (BMS takes care of that). But now that I have the Evolve tune, I'm very happy with it. Your going to feel more power than when you go.catless for sure..that's not even the best part..

    I recently went back to stock tune to see the difference. Hear me when I say this-the Evolve tune does much more than add power. It smoothes out the powerband, but it also smoothed out the entire car. Stock the dct felt notchy, like something was wrong or loose. The throttle response was delayed and slow, even with M on. Now, Evolve.tuned, everything is crisp and proper, the way it should be. It's worth getting ASAP for those reasons alone, not even the additional power.

    But since you bring up power, its a little known fact that I have the US N/A 60-130 record with the tune. I'm 2nd overall and thats with no real effort, full street setup. Something some bias fanboys refuse to recognise on M3post. So yea, its got the power too

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    Thanks for the info....when you say loss in midrange...is that because most of the catless hp gain up at the top (6-8,000 rpm)? Do you notice any changes down low?

    I was sold on the Evolve tune before i read this thread...now even more so.

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    Don't think of it as a loss, its more like a certain rpm range your not gaining as much as you are in the other areas, so it "feels" like a loss

    Down low you may not feel anything

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    cool, ok. Not nearly as important, but did you notice much of a volume difference with the exhaust? I wouldnt mind a little added volume, but not obnoxious...I already have an aftermarket cat back exhaust.

    Did you ever go into limp mode? Ive heard this is not possible multiple times, but one vendor said it was possible. I think he was full of crap and just saying that to sell a tune...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fen335i Click here to enlarge
    cool, ok. Not nearly as important, but did you notice much of a volume difference with the exhaust? I wouldnt mind a little added volume, but not obnoxious...I already have an aftermarket cat back exhaust.

    Did you ever go into limp mode? Ive heard this is not possible multiple times, but one vendor said it was possible. I think he was full of crap and just saying that to sell a tune...
    No,limp modes.ever on this car.

    As for sound, it will only slightly add to it. It will keep whatever character your rear has, maybe a bit more volume though. Still stock X-pipe? If so your golden.

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    Cool, thanks. Yep, still oem xpipe with resonators and secondaries. I've thought about gutting the secondaries, but I've heard it adds a lot of volume along with some rasp. I wouldnt mind some volume, but dont want the rasp. Plus the secondaries help to cut some of the smell with the primaries gone.

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    Unless you go with the full Evolve valved setup, stay with stock x pipe/cat delete pipes

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    Unless you go with the full Evolve valved setup, stay with stock x pipe/cat delete pipes
    Y?

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    if he doesnt want louder, then stay as close to what he has now. Unless valved so he can go loud or quite

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    Here's a dyno that Evolve Automotive has posted awhile back. They are very picky when it comes to dynoing their cars, so I imagine that these are going to be fairly accurate, precise, and consistent.

    The minimal gains that LostMarine mentions in the midpower sounds to be very accurate. With these high strung motors, it's rather expected to have an exponentially growing gain as the revs rise.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    any fbo 335's in my area wanna come out and play? Ill make you famous Click here to enlarge
    No meth on my car, but I'm gonna have @jhershorin build me a FBO E85/93 tune hopefully by the end of the month. Once it's done I'll bother you + see if we can see how it handles the ///M3 Click here to enlarge
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    well, if you keep up with the M after next week, ill be very surprised Click here to enlarge

    10.10 - LostMarine 09 DCT E92 M3-BMC Air filter, Turner pipes, Exhaust dumps,
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    http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ml#post3531132

    and a thread here, but not sure where

    actually, this is the real order:
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    Weird feeling I'm about to be the scrub that gets his a-hole blown open on YouTube Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
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    Theres no shame in loosing, only not showing up Click here to enlarge

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    Haha thanks for the comforting words.... I'll let you know when I get the ProTune done & organize something
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fen335i Click here to enlarge
    Reviving an older thread here. Lost Marine - im going catless (primaries only), and curious whatnyour experience was when you were catless without the Evolve tune? im going the same direction and will eventually go with the Evolve tune, but will have to go without a tune for a few months. Im assuming ill see some nice gains felt from the seat of my pants....but sounds like the tune makes it that much better
    Catless cars can run more timing and changes can be made to the intake and exhaust vanos maps to maximize cylinder filing. The reduced back pressure helps quite a bit for making more power.

    LostM: You had some issues with CEL.. did that stuff get resolved? What did it wind up being?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    Theres no shame in loosing, only not showing up Click here to enlarge
    No shame in spelling losing wrong either.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike Benvo Click here to enlarge
    Catless cars can run more timing and changes can be made to the intake and exhaust vanos maps to maximize cylinder filing. The reduced back pressure helps quite a bit for making more power.

    LostM: You had some issues with CEL.. did that stuff get resolved? What did it wind up being?
    bad 02 sensors, just as Sal had said from day one

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No shame in spelling losing wrong either.
    was on the droid, it likes to do that as well as add "."'s in the middle of words

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    well i had some test pipes put on yesterday...car feels good so far. I can feel the power up top....and it added a little bit of volume to my exhaust. But only really noticeable when wot. Perfect...just what I wanted.

    Now on to the tune to maximize the mod.

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    I don't mean go off topic but what are eveyones thoughts on test pipes w/ OE XPipe versus the Evolve XPipe with 200CEL cats, both with the Evolve Stage 2 Tune?

    I am trying to decide between the two...
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    Well of course my response will be biased, but I dont see how any of the aftermarket xpipes are really worth the money if power is what you are after. Now sound is a different story, but for power gains the biggest restrictions are the primary cats, and to a much lesser extent the secondary cats. The oem xpipe is actually engineered pretty well in my opinion...sure, its not the prettiest, but who cares, you arent ever going to see it!

    cat deletes to your existing oem xpipe and a tune will yield excellent results for a fraction of the cost of the aftermarket xpipes that essentially do the same thing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fen335i Click here to enlarge
    Well of course my response will be biased, but I dont see how any of the aftermarket xpipes are really worth the money if power is what you are after. Now sound is a different story, but for power gains the biggest restrictions are the primary cats, and to a much lesser extent the secondary cats. The oem xpipe is actually engineered pretty well in my opinion...sure, its not the prettiest, but who cares, you arent ever going to see it!
    An X-pipe that eliminates the cats is a great place to pick up power. Just removing the cats themselves isn't quite as good as a quality X-pipe.

    I deleted cats and ran well but made more power with a full/proper exhaust. Definitely far more cost effective to just delete the cats.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Fen335i Click here to enlarge
    Well of course my response will be biased, but I dont see how any of the aftermarket xpipes are really worth the money if power is what you are after. Now sound is a different story, but for power gains the biggest restrictions are the primary cats, and to a much lesser extent the secondary cats. The oem xpipe is actually engineered pretty well in my opinion...sure, its not the prettiest, but who cares, you arent ever going to see it!

    cat deletes to your existing oem xpipe and a tune will yield excellent results for a fraction of the cost of the aftermarket xpipes that essentially do the same thing.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    An X-pipe that eliminates the cats is a great place to pick up power. Just removing the cats themselves isn't quite as good as a quality X-pipe.

    I deleted cats and ran well but made more power with a full/proper exhaust. Definitely far more cost effective to just delete the cats.
    Thanks for the heads up. After chatting with @LostMarine , I am so tempted to finally start modding the E90 M3. I might go ahead with the full Evolve XPipe with 200CEL cats, then further down the road, the Evolve E-Tronic Muffler.
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    E-tronic is the way to go man.. so versatile..

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