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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    The old stock for stock argument. LOL

    It doesn't mean sh*t when people start tuning their cars. Which is what everyone does on this forum!
    Well if it doesn't mean $#@! so we should all ditch our cars and get a GT500, right? I don't get your point.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    But enthusiasts do. Which is a HUGE segment that purchase these cars.
    Enthusiasts means haters nowadays, right?

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    If in fact the next generation C63 gets any form of ttV8, that is a huge gap. And yes the next C-class will also shed some weight. But does it really matter how much, when it comes down to enthusiasts and tuning potential. A ttV8 C63 will be drool worthy.
    So weight doesn't matter really much? I would love to find a statement like this from you about F10 M5. All you were saying was how it was heavy and pig. Now it doesn't matter.

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    Can you not be a BMW fan and disagree with some of their decisions? That is what separates "fanboys" from legitimate "car fans".
    Of course i do but i don't whine every minute. That's what separates me a "fanboy" from a "hater".

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    No matter what happens, if BMW makes a v6, it will positively not be a 90' v6. Is the valley big enough in a 60' v6? bmw could probably just make it work. But 4 cams for not enough displacement, two vanoses for double the headache. No, thanks. Proper solution: S38b40 packaged with a gt40r, spooling almost like a n54.

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    Actually if they are going to make a V6, that's going to be a 90' V6 since it's going to be based on S63 (the only logical explanation to justify a V6). A 90' V6 will give you enough space to even fit the turbos in the V. The only problem would be the very unbalanced layout.

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    Proper solution: S38b40 packaged with a gt40r, spooling almost like a n54.
    Exactly. I would be happier even with a turbo'd M88 or M49/2 than a heavily tweaked N55 or a V6.

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    As long as its a V6 similar to the one found in the GT-R - I think nobody will complain much.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    As long as its a V6 similar to the one found in the GT-R - I think nobody will complain much.
    Exactly what I was thinking.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
    They will not ditch the inline 6. The only reason to do that is for the favorable packaging of a V-6. BMW M could do a V-6 that has twin turbos inside the V like the V8 but they will stick with an inline 6.
    What are you basing it on though? The previous M3 had a V8 based on the V10, so they already ditched the I6 in that model so to speak. Why wouldn't they do the same thing as with the M3 and M5 previously and simply take the larger motor and cut off two cylinders to save cost?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
    The board of directors ruled out a 4 Series as it was deemed it would lead to confusion in the marketplace in early 2009 during the global financial crisis. Did they think the time is right to change that moniker as that decision was made years ago for product planning? Uh, probably not. A new Series of cars that are different in style and mission than a 3 Series but is based on one is a much more broad sword to cut a new swath through the market. A new Series from BMW! Think about that. A brand new Series with more features, new shapes and styles that BMW can do things with that they cannot/won't with the 3 Series. That is what a 4 does. But the lineup will cost more and bridge products different than a 3 and below a 5 Series.
    The 4 will be based on the 3. I understand it will let them move a little up market and that is fine. The 4 series is coming though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    So weight doesn't matter really much? I would love to find a statement like this from you about F10 M5. All you were saying was how it was heavy and pig. Now it doesn't matter.
    The weight matters.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bluejeansonfire Click here to enlarge
    No matter what happens, if BMW makes a v6, it will positively not be a 90' v6. Is the valley big enough in a 60' v6? bmw could probably just make it work. But 4 cams for not enough displacement, two vanoses for double the headache. No, thanks. Proper solution: S38b40 packaged with a gt40r, spooling almost like a n54.
    That is the proper BimmerBoost solution but not the proper BMW Corporate solution.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The 4 will be based on the 3. I understand it will let them move a little up market and that is fine. The 4 series is coming though.
    A simple badge change to the number "4" should allow bmw to double the price gap between M3 sedan and coupe. All while being on the same exact chassis. Honestly...a rather genius business move.


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    [quote=Sorena;269447]So is the F30. With 34XX lbs weight, it's going to be 500 lbs lighter than the current C63. Does MB have plans to reduce the C63

    The C63 will be lighter than the E63 and with an M157, well, a 34XX M3 curb weight won't save the day. Especially if the C gets a dual clutch.

    Mercedes has also been focusing on lightening their cars, look at the new SL.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Doesn't matter how they reduce the power, what matters is the power of M157 is going to be reduced.
    With software to protect the egos of people with the E's, SL's, and CLS's. This just means it will be that much more fun to tune.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    And the spoiled fans.
    How are the fans spoiled? In the USA we constantly get screwed over and still support BMW.

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    Read this on another forum. I have no clue where this info is from. Hard to believe, but interesting. Could it be someone is being instructed to spread misinformation?



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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky
    Mercedes has also been focusing on lightening their cars, look at the new SL.
    That's a great direction Benz chose.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky
    How are the fans spoiled? In the USA we constantly get screwed over and still support BMW.


    You really think there are some GTS parked in BMW showroom waiting for owners here? No sir, in showroom they are just the base models. The top F10 model available is 523i with 2.5 N52.
    All the BMW's i've had in the past, all of them except a E36 328is were bought from different countries through friends and shipped to here. This is what we do here. Now i want others to experience such situations to become a unspoiled fan? of course not, it sucks. But my point is that certainly BMW don't screw over you.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC
    Read this on another forum. I have no clue where this info is from. Hard to believe, but interesting. Could it be someone is being instructed to spread misinformation?
    Too good to be true man, too good to be true. But i would like to point the fact that the spy videos show a S54 like sounding I6.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Read this on another forum. I have no clue where this info is from. Hard to believe, but interesting. Could it be someone is being instructed to spread misinformation?



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    Don't buy that at all especially considering it should be S55B36 based on what was presented there. If the person can't even get the BMW naming convention down then I would say the source is full of $#@!.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    You really think there are some GTS parked in BMW showroom waiting for owners here? No sir, in showroom they are just the base models. The top F10 model available is 523i with 2.5 N52.
    All the BMW's i've had in the past, all of them except a E36 328is were bought from different countries through friends and shipped to here. This is what we do here. Now i want others to experience such situations to become a unspoiled fan? of course not, it sucks. But my point is that certainly BMW don't screw over you.
    Who cares, other markets get the GTS, CSL, and even the M Diesels now.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Too good to be true man, too good to be true. But i would like to point the fact that the spy videos show a S54 like sounding I6.
    It's too good to be true and makes no sense that they would switch back.

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    i saw the new 3 series on the road today, whats with the really skinny headlights?

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    Those e90 M kit on the new body renderings are trash. It may look simular but those are exact e90 M body parts.

    As far as C63 vs M3, 4-500 lb weight difference is more than enough to make up for being down on power. Besides its nothing new for MB new models to be faster than BMW's but with the claimed weight reduction the M3 will do what it always has and beat the lights off Merc on the turns. Tuning debate is null. Larger displacement detuned engines will always have a larger tuning capability

    Someone mentioned the V6 would not have enough spacing for twin valley turbos and i might have to agree. I can see BMW going back to a I6 but it will need a jump in displacement. S54/5 turbo makes the most sense with a with a 3.8 displacement and ~495 hp. I dont think a V8 is going in the M3 because BMW has been down sizing all there engines per class.

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    Saying it is nothing new for the mercedes rival for the m3 to be faster is not true. The e46 m3 was slightly quicker than the c32. The e92 is dct is a dead heat with the c63.

    Mercedes had no answer for the e36. The e39 m5 was also way ahead of the e55. BMW is falling too far behind now.

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    It's not that BMW is falling behind, Mercedes is just catching up, there is only so much power/ speed for a certain price point....BMW has always been a good looking, quick AND great handling car, for a decent price, a package that has been hard to match. Rest assured though Mercedes, Lexus, and Audi will keep trying...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    It's not that BMW is falling behind, Mercedes is just catching up
    Can't it be both?

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    Not really, how much faster do you think these cars will come from the factory? What will set them apart IMO will be styling, handling, and creature comforts.....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Not really, how much faster do you think these cars will come from the factory? What will set them apart IMO will be styling, handling, and creature comforts.....
    BMW isn't even producing a car trapping over 130. I'd say they have plenty of room to improve from the factory considering other offerings. Porsche has stock cars doing 10's, come on.

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    I'd wonder if BMW wants to produce a reliable car that traps 130, you think they are expensive now...ha

    I think BMW has a good niche, they produce fast luxury touring cars, the m division is for the guy that wants Porsche like speed and a more practical tourer, a wolf in sheeps clothing. We'll see....with all this fuel economy craze and EPA regs, I hope these cars stay as fast as they are...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I'd wonder if BMW wants to produce a reliable car that traps 130, you think they are expensive now...ha
    Chevy does it for a bargain? BMW is a big volume seller now. Not like they don't have money.

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