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    Insideline previews the 2014 M3 Coupe, but what they meant to say was the 2014 F82 M4 - V6 rumors again?

    Before we delve into the details of what is coming in the next gen M3 platform, we found it interesting Insideline (who usually is closer to enthusiast nomenclature than most) titled this piece and renderings with "M3 Coupe." Is this an error or an effort to make the articles easier to read for the masses? Enthusiast sites seem to be in agreement the the next generation M3 platform coupe will be called the M4 and receive its own F82 code/designation. Major blogs have all also reported BMW is adding a 4 series which will of course be the new 3 Series coupe platform essentially. So what gives, especially considering they mention the M4 and F82 at the bottom of the article?

    Insideline has made mistakes before (stated no 1M was coming) so do not read all of this as if it is set in stone. However, the car is supposed to get a V6. Why? Well, a V6 can sit further back than an I6 and secondly because it will mirror the setup of the N63 V8. That means two turbos sitting in the valley. Knowing BMW, it may just be the N63 platform with two cylinders sliced off. Early guess is the displacement is 3.3 liters. I say just give us the N63 instead in the M3 but ok, fine, the V6 reasons do make sense.

    Insideline states the horsepower will be at 429. Then the odd comment is made that this is enough to fend off the C63 AMG. Um, no it isn't. The P31 C63 AMG will eat this alive and we highly doubt Mercedes will just leave the C63 the way it is when the new M3 hits. Mercedes already started the precedent of putting their main AMG V8 in the C-Class so if Mercedes repeats this and gives the C the M157... it's game over kids. The DCT was enough to hold the C63 off and make it close enough but if a twin turbo 5.5 liter V8 comes to town that only needs some software, well, as stated earlier.

    The new M3 and M4 are expected to get down into the 34XX range. Which is fine, as this is E46 M3 weight. We like everything for the most part but 429 horses just does not seem to be enough. This would be a very small increase and not proportional to the one which the M5 received. Why not keep the M3 within 100 horses as has been the case with the E36, E46, and E92? Hopefully BMW ups the ante more than this.

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    Is it just me or is those renderings making it look way to much like a E92 M3? It looks cool, it just doesn't look like a "new" car.

    I think and hope BMW makes a bigger leap than this...both in terms of design and power.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    Is it just me or is those renderings making it look way to much like a E92 M3? It looks cool, it just doesn't look like a "new" car.
    That's a good point, they should have done better on those too.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xbox_fan Click here to enlarge
    I think and hope BMW makes a bigger leap than this...both in terms of design and power.
    If they don't...

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    I bet it will not look like this. This is a e92 with the front and rear swapped from a f30..net render at least change the sideskirts and side grills

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    I wouldn't mind if it looked like this. It looks good and will keep my current car from looking dated for many years to come. Click here to enlarge

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    The 4 Series is not a Coupe or Cabriolet. They are offshoots of the 3 Series. Meaning that Series gets new varients, such as GT, etc with a higher pricepoint. And no, BMW did not learn a lesson with it F07 5 Gt either. The M3 will go back to it's roots, so to speak. They have looked at a version of the S6344Tu and making a V6 but not going to happen. They are sticking with an enlarged Inline 6 with a stated horsepower of around 440-450hp. And the damn thing will probably hit around 480hp +/-. The optics will be much more aggressive than this rendering, think E82 1M for fender flare sizing if you have seen one in the flesh. It is wide as hell!

    They are not going to have an M3 Sedan and then get rid of the much better selling Coupe and name it an M4 to outrage M fans planet wide. They are not going to take four generations of the iconic brand car and toss it in the trash. Don't believe what you read on the internet, what I just wrote notwithstanding!

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    Not sure its the final look but I can't say it looks like much... The motor being a V6 has me intrigued especially with the turbo mounting listed.
    We stay swingin...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ekis18 Click here to enlarge
    I bet it will not look like this. This is a e92 with the front and rear swapped from a f30..net render at least change the sideskirts and side grills
    +1 I was thinking they incidently put pics of an E92 with this article, but upon closer look there are some "differences" Click here to enlarge

    Well, powerwise BMW has to put at least 450hp in this, with a possible CLS version in the 500hp range. Otherwise the gap to the C63 will get too large, especially as the Mercedes is now pretty much on par to the M3 handlingwise. That used to be the big advantage of the E46/E9X generation M3s.

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    This is where bmw starts going down hill.
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    BS

    It will have a I6, no doubt in that. Check the spy videos, it sounds more like S54 than a V6.

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    The all new C-class has already been seen testing. Spy videos of the next C63 will be around the corner, with a rumbling ttV8. M3 owners will be seeing a lot of tail lights.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
    The 4 Series is not a Coupe or Cabriolet. They are offshoots of the 3 Series. Meaning that Series gets new varients, such as GT, etc with a higher pricepoint. And no, BMW did not learn a lesson with it F07 5 Gt either. The M3 will go back to it's roots, so to speak. They have looked at a version of the S6344Tu and making a V6 but not going to happen. They are sticking with an enlarged Inline 6 with a stated horsepower of around 440-450hp. And the damn thing will probably hit around 480hp +/-. The optics will be much more aggressive than this rendering, think E82 1M for fender flare sizing if you have seen one in the flesh. It is wide as hell!

    They are not going to have an M3 Sedan and then get rid of the much better selling Coupe and name it an M4 to outrage M fans planet wide. They are not going to take four generations of the iconic brand car and toss it in the trash. Don't believe what you read on the internet, what I just wrote notwithstanding!
    The 4 Series is coupe, cabrio, and 4 door coupe. The GT will be with the 3.

    F30 - 3 series sedan
    F31 - 3 series touring/wagon
    F32 - 4 series coupe
    F33 - 4 series convertible/cabriolet
    F34 - 3 series GT
    F35 - 4 series 4 door coupe

    What makes you think it will be an enlarged inline-6? The V6 argument kind of makes sense.

    If they didn't want to throw away their iconic brand why start the 4 series to begin with?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    The all new C-class has already been seen testing. Spy videos of the next C63 will be around the corner, with a rumbling ttV8. M3 owners will be seeing a lot of tail lights.
    It's seriously game over in that case.

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    reference your sources please, deemo319

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    Why not just give the m3 the gran turismo n63?

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    No worries guys. If BMW is able to reduce the weight, the new M3 is going to lose only in a straight line.

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    E46 M3 owners said E92 M3 will lose to a C63 when it first came but a DCT M3 runs neck and neck with a C63 though C63 has %50 more torque and 40 hp. Now E9X M3 owners are saying the same for F30 M3.

    Is it really hard to not to be so negative? Benz won't give C63 a +500HP engine unless they bump the power of other M157 cars (E63, CLS63, etc) mid to high 500's (without the PP-Package of course). With a E46 like curb weight and 450hp (C&D claim) M3 will be as fast as the next C63.

    Now i know somebody will point the tuning potential part, but that's a lame excuse really. No manufactures consider the tuning potential when they create an engine. Some engines like the S65 are already maxed out from the factory in NA form, some like the M156 just come to life when modded.
    No one $#@!ed about the difference tuning potential between S65 and M156 when those came, same is true for S54 and M113 but now it's considered as a valid reason to whine?

    What's up with the hate from BMW fans recently?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    No worries guys. If BMW is able to reduce the weight, the new M3 is going to lose only in a straight line.
    It has never lost in a straightline in its class...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    E46 M3 owners said E92 M3 will lose to a C63 when it first came but a DCT M3 runs neck and neck with a C63 though C63 has %50 more torque and 40 hp. Now E9X M3 owners are saying the same for F30 M3.
    Because the M3 has DCT and is lighter. There are no tricks left to help it versus the M157 V8.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Is it really hard to not to be so negative? Benz won't give C63 a +500HP engine unless they bump the power of other M157 cars (E63, CLS63, etc) mid to high 500's (without the PP-Package of course).
    People thought they wouldn't give it an M156 but they did, just detuned with software. They can do the same.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    What's up with the hate from BMW fans recently?
    It's BMW's fault.

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    I doubt BMW will leave this car underpowered...

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    Hey Stick!

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The 4 Series is coupe, cabrio, and 4 door coupe. The GT will be with the 3.

    F30 - 3 series sedan
    F31 - 3 series touring/wagon
    F32 - 4 series coupe
    F33 - 4 series convertible/cabriolet
    F34 - 3 series GT
    F35 - 4 series 4 door coupe

    What makes you think it will be an enlarged inline-6? The V6 argument kind of makes sense.

    If they didn't want to throw away their iconic brand why start the 4 series to begin with?
    They will not ditch the inline 6. The only reason to do that is for the favorable packaging of a V-6. BMW M could do a V-6 that has twin turbos inside the V like the V8 but they will stick with an inline 6. Until there is confirmation of a 4 Series that replaces the 3 Series I will believe it. And with that supposed "rumor" of an M4 then it is suffice to say with that thinking then the E92 M3 is literally the last M3 Coupe, right? Not even likley. An all new M4 in it's new Series guise will be the halo car in that Series but above in pricepoint above the new M3 not replace it.

    The board of directors ruled out a 4 Series as it was deemed it would lead to confusion in the marketplace in early 2009 during the global financial crisis. Did they think the time is right to change that moniker as that decision was made years ago for product planning? Uh, probably not. A new Series of cars that are different in style and mission than a 3 Series but is based on one is a much more broad sword to cut a new swath through the market. A new Series from BMW! Think about that. A brand new Series with more features, new shapes and styles that BMW can do things with that they cannot/won't with the 3 Series. That is what a 4 does. But the lineup will cost more and bridge products different than a 3 and below a 5 Series.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Because the M3 has DCT and is lighter. There are no tricks left to help it versus the M157 V8.
    So is the F30. With 34XX lbs weight, it's going to be 500 lbs lighter than the current C63. Does MB have plans to reduce the C63's weight that much?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    People thought they wouldn't give it an M156 but they did, just detuned with software. They can do the same.
    Doesn't matter how they reduce the power, what matters is the power of M157 is going to be reduced.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's BMW's fault.
    And the spoiled fans.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Now i know somebody will point the tuning potential part, but that's a lame excuse really. No manufactures consider the tuning potential when they create an engine.
    But enthusiasts do. Which is a HUGE segment that purchase these cars.

    If in fact the next generation C63 gets any form of ttV8, that is a huge gap. And yes the next C-class will also shed some weight. But does it really matter how much, when it comes down to enthusiasts and tuning potential. A ttV8 C63 will be drool worthy.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    No one $#@!ed about the difference tuning potential between S65 and M156 when those came, same is true for S54 and M113 but now it's considered as a valid reason to whine?
    People definitely talked about the huge difference in displacement(still do) and the greater tuning NA advantage for the M156.

    But we are talking turbos now that everyone is moving towards them. Big difference, have to compare apples to apples.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    What's up with the hate from BMW fans recently?
    Can you not be a BMW fan and disagree with some of their decisions? That is what separates "fanboys" from legitimate "car fans".


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    So is the F30. With 34XX lbs weight, it's going to be 500 lbs lighter than the current C63. Does MB have plans to reduce the C63's weight that much?



    Doesn't matter how they reduce the power, what matters is the power of M157 is going to be reduced.
    The old stock for stock argument. LOL

    It doesn't mean sh*t when people start tuning their cars. Which is what everyone does on this forum!


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