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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    Everyone cheat in F1. The biggest cheater is Ron Dennis in McLaren. Ferrari also ain't an honest rival for others.
    Nobody has been a bigger cheat than Briatore.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Nobody has been a bigger cheat than Briatore.
    He's a prick, no doubt in that. I hate him for having a hot wife just because he's rich.

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    Let's please not forget Ferrari. Add them to your cheat list as well.
    And put now head of the FIA Jean Todd, for cheating as team leader when Schumacher drove their Ferrari to championchips, next to Briatore.
    The list of cheating F1 teams is probably as long as the team list itself.
    Teams allways explore the limits of the rules to give them the edge over other teams.
    Sometimes succesfull (blown diffuser for example), sometimes not so (moving/flexing front wings), sometimes never proven (Traction Control hidden / burried deep within ECU Ferrari, 1994/1995/1996).
    If you disqualify Briatore as a cheat (probably for the causing of a safety car order of Nico Rosberg), please add Schumacher and Senna to that list as well.
    They did even worse. Taking out their direct opponent in a collision so the opponent could not score points, thereby securing their championship.

    My point is: there are no saints in F1.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    See they are a corporation and a big one at that. They think like a corporation, they don't care about anything except sales and money. They don't care about racing pedigree that is offered by the top racing sport in the world. Corporations is what ruins F1, they buy up the privateer teams and then they GTFO of Dodge when the $#@! hits the fan.
    BMW competes in a lot of racing classes, F1 being just one of them.
    At the end of the day I rather have a dealership nearby and a large company behind it then to see them lose very much money and shrinking their footprint. Which would make the cars more expensive in the process.
    So, I also did not like their decision at the time, but placed in the right context it did make sense. More teams were pulling out of F1 at that time. Honda of all did it the most gracefull, leaving Ross Brawn with a champioship winning concept. Honda probably pulled some hair out of their heads over that decission Click here to enlarge
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    Ah, scrambled the.years a little bit. MS was at Benneton in 1994 and 1995.
    In which time he also had TC illegally available. According to his butthurt teammate.Jos Verstpen...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    BMW competes in a lot of racing classes, F1 being just one of them.
    At the end of the day I rather have a dealership nearby and a large company behind it then to see them lose very much money and shrinking their footprint. Which would make the cars more expensive in the process.
    So, I also did not like their decision at the time, but placed in the right context it did make sense. More teams were pulling out of F1 at that time. Honda of all did it the most gracefull, leaving Ross Brawn with a champioship winning concept. Honda probably pulled some hair out of their heads over that decission Click here to enlarge
    You sound like a corporate manager. Dealerships are not owned by BMW so BMW losing money in motorsports has absolutely 0 effect on what's next to your house. If the owner decides to make it a Mercedes dealership tomorrow then that's what you'll have.

    BMW does not compete in many different classes of racing at all. Only recently did they get into Le Mans, ALMS, and now DTM and Dakar. 3 years ago they didn't compete in any of those series they have been absent from racing for a very long time. These series are pretty small in exposure as well, except in Europe where Le Mans and DTM are gaining more and more viewings.

    It wasn't Traction control that the Benetton cars had that was illegal since it was never found in the software. It was the launch control that was deep inside the code that allowed the driver to activate by pressing a series of buttons on the steering wheel. In 1994 Benetton also removed the fuel filter from the refueling rig that started the fire on Jos' car in Hockenheim which was illegal as well. Since I'm on a roll I'll also mention the dirty and blatant way MS steered his "irreparable" car into Damon Hill in Adelaide that allowed him to win his 1st WDC.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    Let's please not forget Ferrari. Add them to your cheat list as well.
    And put now head of the FIA Jean Todd, for cheating as team leader when Schumacher drove their Ferrari to championchips, next to Briatore.
    The list of cheating F1 teams is probably as long as the team list itself.
    Teams allways explore the limits of the rules to give them the edge over other teams.
    Sometimes succesfull (blown diffuser for example), sometimes not so (moving/flexing front wings), sometimes never proven (Traction Control hidden / burried deep within ECU Ferrari, 1994/1995/1996).
    If you disqualify Briatore as a cheat (probably for the causing of a safety car order of Nico Rosberg), please add Schumacher and Senna to that list as well.
    They did even worse. Taking out their direct opponent in a collision so the opponent could not score points, thereby securing their championship.

    My point is: there are no saints in F1.
    Forgot to respond to this post. Sure I will add Senna to the list of cheats, I have no problem with it, but at least he was man enough to admit it to everybody that he cheated. I will also go one further and add Prost to that list as well. Suzuka 1989 he on purpose decided to take Senna out in the chicane but failed. Senna rejoined the race, had to pit to fix his front nose and then rejoined. After driving a magnificent race he came in first while Prost did not finish the race.

    It seemed like Senna had won the world championship, but Prost protested and Balestre (that French fat $#@!) decided to disqualify Senna and handed the championship to his French driver Prost.

    There is no way in hell that he'll say I didn't see him there and decided to close the door:

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    Suzuka 89 could still be qualified as a racing incident. By today's standards, Senna would probably be fined with a drivethrough penalty for undertaking a desparate manoeuvre. He came from wayyy behind.

    1990 is a different story. Senna openly admitted he took Prost out:

    Ayrton Senna - OCTOBER 1, 1991 wrote:'I said to myself: "OK, you try to work cleanly and do the job properly and then you get f**ked by stupid people. All right, if tomorrow Prost beats me off the line, at the first corner I will go for it, and he better not turn in because he is not going to make it. And it just happened.

    'I wish it hadn't. He took the start and got the jump on me and I went for the first corner and he was turning and I hit him. We were both off and it was a sh*t end to the World Championship. It was not good for me and not good for F1. It was the result of the wrong decisions and partiality from the people inside making the decisions.

    'I won the championship. So what? It was a bad example for everyone."

    Still, those were great years in F1. Wish we had more characters like that in todays F1. No offense to the Vettel generation, but compared to those guys most drivers today look like school boys Click here to enlarge

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    those were great years in F1. Wish we had more characters like that in todays F1. No offense to the Vettel generation, but compared to those guys most drivers today look like school boys

    Agreed. The drivers were real
    athletes and they could drive. Lewis Hamilton sat behind Senna's car and said it was much more difficult to drive than today's F1 cars. The combination of
    mean machines and talented drivers made 80's and 90's the best period of F1 history.
    Today cars are more like dulls compared to those cars and the drivers aren't as great as those era's drivers.

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    Hi, just joined this forum for the great technical write ups and fed up with the bullsh*t on m3post. I'm fortunate enough to own a tuned E92 M3.Click here to enlarge
    For a number of years BMW made the best engines in F1, the chassis they were mated to were the problem. Juan Pablo Montoya was very unlucky not to win at least one F1 championship with a BMW engine behind him.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ant Man Click here to enlarge
    Hi, just joined this forum for the great technical write ups and fed up with the bullsh*t on m3post.
    Hear this pretty frequently... and it never gets old Click here to enlarge

    How did you find us?

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    Internet search on something technical related and read the DCT rebuild and no 5 piston issues with great interest.

    I'm a big believer in taking things apart and repairing as opposed to replacing complete units such as gearboxes.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ant Man Click here to enlarge
    Internet search on something technical related and read the DCT rebuild and no 5 piston issues with great interest.

    I'm a big believer in taking things apart and repairing as opposed to replacing complete units such as gearboxes.
    Awesome, it's a great thread: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...nd-Viton-seals

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sr20seb Click here to enlarge
    Nobody has been a bigger cheat than Briatore.
    Yup, a brilliant tactical cheat. But what separates him from the crowd is his willingness to put literally everyone's life at risk. There's a few others like that, but bow down to the master!

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