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    ICS Twin Turbo E36 Build

    Good afternoon Boost Heads, ICS will be building a custom twin turbo kit for an E36 M3 next 3-5 weeks for a client. I will provide the forum with a complete documentary of the entire build.

    -George Kakaletris

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    Twin turbo huh? Looking forward to this!

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    god i'm glad im' not funding that project, but sure will enjoy watching someone else making it happen!

    keep it updated Click here to enlarge

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    Please post up the whp and wtq GRAPHS from YOUR twin turbo M Coupe
    so that we can see the advantages of having two smaller turbos,
    compared to one nicely sized compressor.

    Unless your customer is interested in the FUNCTIONAL use of twin turbos
    (spooling EARLIER than a standard turbo setup)
    then the twins are merely an expensive, gorgeous novelty,
    similar to breast implants,
    that will slow you down in the long run.

    Results rock. Is the graph below the only documented "go" at it?

    The graph below is the only one I found (that you offered back when)
    to "show" us numbers.
    Unfortunately, it DOESN'T show RPM based torque.

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    Last edited by milkt; 05-27-2010 at 09:55 PM.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by milkt Click here to enlarge
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    Please post up the whp and wtq GRAPHS from YOUR twin turbo M Coupe
    so that we can see the advantages of having two smaller turbos,
    compared to one nicely sized compressor.

    Unless your customer is interested in the FUNCTIONAL use of twin turbos
    (spooling EARLIER than a standard turbo setup)
    then the twins are merely an expensive, gorgeous novelty,
    similar to breast implants,
    that will slow you down in the long run.

    Results rock. Is the graph below the only documented "go" at it?

    The graph below is the only one I found (that you offered back when)
    to "show" us numbers.
    Unfortunately, it DOESN'T show RPM based torque.

    Click here to enlarge
    Yo, I don't think ICS is claiming the twins will have an advatange. I think the point of this is to do something different and show off capability to tackle various setups. Let's see how this goes, don't fall into the negative pattern please.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Yo, I don't think ICS is claiming the twins will have an advatange. I think the point of this is to do something different and show off capability to tackle various setups. Let's see how this goes, don't fall into the negative pattern please.
    Try not to be negative please.

    We know that ICS can weld pipes together, attach turbos and have ship someone in to tune a system
    ("show off capability to tackle various setups")
    VERY WELL.

    They have done one twin turbo set-up (maybe more)
    and I think the BMW community would like to see a twin set up done right...
    done with intention/motive of making early spool and early torque/power,
    not just the boring big numbers,
    like a prancing, transgendered show horse.

    Take your time, do it right.
    You'll thank yourselves in the end.
    Or....
    Last edited by milkt; 05-27-2010 at 11:42 PM.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by milkt Click here to enlarge
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    Try not to be negative please.

    We know that ICS can weld pipes together, attach turbos and have ship someone in to tune a system
    ("show off capability to tackle various setups")
    VERY WELL.

    They have done one twin turbo set-up (maybe more)
    and I think the BMW community would like to see a twin set up done right...
    done with intention/motive of making early spool and early torque/power,
    not just the boring big numbers,
    like a prancing, transgendered show horse.

    Take your time, do it right.
    You'll thank yourselves in the end.
    Or....
    Well I mean the details have not even been announced. We know it is a twin but we don't know if the end goal is quick spool for the track or just big power.

    We will see what happens and that is the whole point of a build thread like this.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Well I mean the details have not even been announced. We know it is a twin but we don't know if the end goal is quick spool for the track or just big power.

    We will see what happens and that is the whole point of a build thread like this.

    Quick spool and big power do not exist on these engines.. you have to give a little to make up on the other side.

    Tial back housing as a starter.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ICS Performance Click here to enlarge
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    Quick spool and big power do not exist on these engines.. you have to give a little to make up on the other side.

    Tial back housing as a starter.
    That was my point, you haven't announced the goal so are you going for quick spool or big power with this setup?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    That was my point, you haven't announced the goal so are you going for quick spool or big power with this setup?

    As far as having a quick spool and 650 WHP - it's going to be a challenge. I will def keep the board updated as progress moves forward. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ICS Performance Click here to enlarge
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    As far as having a quick spool and 650 WHP - it's going to be a challenge. I will def keep the board updated as progress moves forward. Click here to enlarge
    650 whp is definitely big power. This is going to be interesting...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ICS Performance Click here to enlarge
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    Quick spool and big power do not exist on these engines.. you have to give a little to make up on the other side.

    Tial back housing as a starter.
    Incorrect.
    They are not only possible together,
    but documented.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    That was my point, you haven't announced the goal so are you going for quick spool or big power with this setup?
    Is there a reason to spend an a$$ ton of money on a twin turbo set up
    OTHER THAN to have early spool? Seriously?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ICS Performance Click here to enlarge
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    As far as having a quick spool and 650 WHP - it's going to be a challenge. I will def keep the board updated as progress moves forward. Click here to enlarge
    After a century of turbo builds and experience,
    it will be easy to be at FULL BOOST prior to 3600 rpm
    and show well over 600whp. Click here to enlarge

    Anybody and their mom can boost BIG numbers 600 whp ++
    (or even 452 whp/ 395 wtq like the recent ICS "kit")
    with FULL BOOST at 4500 rpm.
    We've seen that many times.
    Click here to enlarge

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    Seems like an epic waste, but lets see what happens. Until then if anyone needs any help with tuning my pm box is open until its full. 8-)

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    This little guy will need help for sure.
    Click here to enlarge
    Do you tune Datsuns?
    Chip or flash?
    Any "off the shelves"?
    Last edited by milkt; 05-31-2010 at 12:20 AM.

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    Were pics of this setup ever posted?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tron Click here to enlarge
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    Were pics of this setup ever posted?
    I came in here and wanted to see this twin turbo,,,, Click here to enlarge all i can think of is.....

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    updates?

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    Regardless of the spool, I still think George's coupe is sexy as hell either way!

    Just wish we saw more of it in action

    ~Ken~ {'99 M coupe} 623 whp 516 wtq; RIP 3.24.13
    {'01 M coupe}...Status Gruppe V3 headers, CPI sec 1, B&B Triflow; RK tune coming soon!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by z3speed4me Click here to enlarge
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    Regardless of the spool, I still think George's coupe is sexy as hell either way!

    Just wish we saw more of it in action
    I think you are confused abit. This has nothing to do with that power whore of a car. Its a new begining.

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    Not confused at all, I am well aware they are building a new car for someone... I was just referring to the only other twin car they did that EVERYONE knows about and how it's an awesome machine. Whether you agree with the idea of doing twins or not, there is no arguing that it is cool.

    If they can truly get a twin car to hit full boost by 3500 and still pound out big #'s, I have no doubt that people would want to do it if the additional money required to fabricate all of the extra stuff just happened to fall into their pockets somehow. You can't say you wouldn't want a car that is super unique and is stupid fast too...

    ~Ken~ {'99 M coupe} 623 whp 516 wtq; RIP 3.24.13
    {'01 M coupe}...Status Gruppe V3 headers, CPI sec 1, B&B Triflow; RK tune coming soon!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by z3speed4me Click here to enlarge
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    Not confused at all, I am well aware they are building a new car for someone... I was just referring to the only other twin car they did that EVERYONE knows about and how it's an awesome machine. Whether you agree with the idea of doing twins or not, there is no arguing that it is cool.

    If they can truly get a twin car to hit full boost by 3500 and still pound out big #'s, I have no doubt that people would want to do it if the additional money required to fabricate all of the extra stuff just happened to fall into their pockets somehow. You can't say you wouldn't want a car that is super unique and is stupid fast too...
    Yes yes I designed the setup you are worshipping, and helped tune it.

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    You kill me sometime bro... see you again at Mike's next weekend!

    ~Ken~ {'99 M coupe} 623 whp 516 wtq; RIP 3.24.13
    {'01 M coupe}...Status Gruppe V3 headers, CPI sec 1, B&B Triflow; RK tune coming soon!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by z3speed4me Click here to enlarge
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    You kill me sometime bro... see you again at Mike's next weekend!
    The guy in my avi kills all the time. Is it next weekend. Wow does time fly. Will you be getting Nick his coffee? If so pick me up a black coffe. I like my coffee like my women. Click here to enlarge

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